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· Mr. Survivalist
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Washington state code
9.24.025 Dangerous weapons — Use, possession, concealing, sales, manufacture.
(a) It is unlawful for a person knowingly to:

(1) Manufacture, sell, possess, purchase or carry any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as a blackjack, slingshot, sand-club, metal knuckles, chako sticks, nunchuka, throwing stars, clubs or other similar instruments which are designed or constructed to inflict bodily injury or property damage;:mad:
 

· aka Whitehawk!
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Funny - marijuana is legal, but slingshots are illegal. Washington certainly has problems. I find it funny that with my Washington CPL, I'm allowed to carry a loaded pistol on my person, but a slingshot would put me in jail.

One more reason I'm glad to be an Oregon resident. I can't believe it's illegal to own, purchase or even build a slingshot in Washington state. Good to know though as I've got family in Washington and might have brought my creations with me to show them.

Politicians are idiots.
 

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Washington state code
9.24.025 Dangerous weapons — Use, possession, concealing, sales, manufacture.
(a) It is unlawful for a person knowingly to:

(1) Manufacture, sell, possess, purchase or carry any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as a blackjack, slingshot, sand-club, metal knuckles, chako sticks, nunchuka, throwing stars, clubs or other similar instruments which are designed or constructed to inflict bodily injury or property damage;:mad:

It sounds like it is the intent, and not the object, that is illegal. If I have a SS that is for target practice using my catchbox, then it is not designed or constructed to inflict bodily harm or property damage. A good lawyer could probably win that one.

-Wild Bill
 

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It sounds like it is the intent, and not the object, that is illegal. If I have a SS that is for target practice using my catchbox, then it is not designed or constructed to inflict bodily harm or property damage. A good lawyer could probably win that one.

-Wild Bill
I would consider challenging it based on the following:

RCW 9.41.250
Dangerous weapons — Penalty.

(1) Every person who:

(a) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife;

(b) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

(c) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm unless the suppressor is legally registered and possessed in accordance with federal law,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

(2) "Spring blade knife" means any knife, including a prototype, model, or other sample, with a blade that is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement. A knife that contains a spring, detent, or other mechanism designed to create a bias toward closure of the blade and that requires physical exertion applied to the blade by hand, wrist, or arm to overcome the bias toward closure to assist in opening the knife is not a spring blade knife.


[2012 c 179 § 1; 2011 c 13 § 1; 2007 c 379 § 1; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 424; 1959 c 143 § 1; 1957 c 93 § 1; 1909 c 249 § 265; 1886 p 81 § 1; Code 1881 § 929; RRS § 2517.]

Notes:
Finding -- Intent -- Severability -- 1994 sp.s. c 7: See notes following RCW 43.70.540.
Effective date -- 1994 sp.s. c 7 §§ 401-410, 413-416, 418-437, and 439-460: See note following RCW 9.41.010.

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This part of the RCW is the section referenced that identifies the punishment for violating the state code. However, the term "slingshot" is nowhere to be found in the RCW, rather they use the term "slung shot", which is not a slingshot:

slung shot
noun
a hard object, such as a metal ball, attached by a strap or thong to the wrist and used as a weapon.

It would appear to me (were I to challenge this) that someone who wrote the rule referenced by the OP, may have been looking to the RCW and assumed that a SLUNG SHOT and a SLINGSHOT were different names for the same thing. If I were a WA resident, I may be interested in writing my local state rep or senator and ask them to get this fixed so people don't have to inadvertently get arrested due to lack of clarity. Definitions can be key here, and neither WA code actually defines "slingshot".
 

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That's why I chose not to live on the Leftist coast. I want the right to defend my family and property any way I can.
Ran away from that coast almost 9 years ago and never looked back. Georgia is more my speed, style and political leaning.
 

· Lord Of Crows
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Washington state code
9.24.025 Dangerous weapons — Use, possession, concealing, sales, manufacture.
(a) It is unlawful for a person knowingly to:

(1) Manufacture, sell, possess, purchase or carry any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as a blackjack, slingshot, sand-club, metal knuckles, chako sticks, nunchuka, throwing stars, clubs or other similar instruments which are designed or constructed to inflict bodily injury or property damage;:mad:
I'm not sure where you got this info (seems like it was edited) but it isn't from WA state code or perhaps was from an older version. This is cut from the current online info:



(1) Every person who:

(a) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife;

Funny how all the libertarians are all throwing up their arms about evil "guberment" and trying to disparage the west coast... nice try... sorry WA state rules... Go Sea-Hawks! Beast Mode! :D
 

· Mr. Survivalist
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It is true that RCW 9.41.250 does say slung shot but RCW 9.24.025 is the chapter that describes weapon definitions and it says slingshot. Do you really want to take a chance on spending a night in jail and a few thousand dollars in attorneys fees for a judge to decide which definition is correct. If he decides against you the judge could strip you're right to possess a weapon. For that reason I don't plan on having one in my pocket or laying on the seat of my car. I also have a CCL and in this state I can carry A 45 in my back but I am not allowed to carry a pocket knife that can be Open by gravity or a flick of the wrist.


9.24.025 Dangerous weapons — Use, possession, concealing, sales, manufacture.
(a) It is unlawful for a person knowingly to:

(1) Manufacture, sell, possess, purchase or carry any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as a blackjack, slingshot, sand-club, metal knuckles, chako sticks, nunchuka, throwing stars, clubs or other similar instruments which are designed or constructed to inflict bodily injury or property damage;

(2) Manufacture, sell, possess, purchase or carry any spring blade knife, balisong knife or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement;

(3) Furtively carry with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol or other dangerous weapon; or

(4) Use any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm.

(b) Exemptions. Subsection (a) shall not apply to the following:

(1) The possession of a nunchuka, throwing star or other martial arts weapon on the premises of a school which holds a business license and teaches the arts of self-defense;

(2) The manufacture of a nunchuka, throwing star, or other martial arts weapon for sale to, or the sale of a nunchuka, throwing star, or other martial arts weapon to a school which holds a business license and teaches the arts of self-defense;

(3) Use of batons or nunchukas authorized by the Redmond Police Department for use by law enforcement officers.

(c) Penalty. Any person who violates any of the provisions of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor, and upon conviction thereof shall be punished as provided in subsection 9.01.050(B) of this title. (Ord. 1968 § 1, 1998; Ord. 1791 § 1, 1994; Ord. 1524 § 2, 1989).

RCW 9.41.250
Dangerous weapons — Penalty.

(1) Every person who:

(a) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife;

(b) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

(c) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm unless the suppressor is legally registered and possessed in accordance with federal law,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

(2) "Spring blade knife" means any knife, including a prototype, model, or other sample, with a blade that is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement. A knife that contains a spring, detent, or other mechanism designed to create a bias toward closure of the blade and that requires physical exertion applied to the blade by hand, wrist, or arm to overcome the bias toward closure to assist in opening the knife is not a spring blade knife.


[2012 c 179 § 1; 2011 c 13 § 1; 2007 c 379 § 1; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 424; 1959 c 143 § 1; 1957 c 93 § 1; 1909 c 249 § 265; 1886 p 81 § 1; Code 1881 § 929; RRS § 2517.]
 

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It is true that RCW 9.41.250 does say slung shot but RCW 9.24.025 is the chapter that describes weapon definitions and it says slingshot. Do you really want to take a chance on spending a night in jail and a few thousand dollars in attorneys fees for a judge to decide which definition is correct. If he decides against you the judge could strip you're right to possess a weapon. For that reason I don't plan on having one in my pocket or laying on the seat of my car. I also have a CCL and in this state I can carry A 45 in my back but I am not allowed to carry a pocket knife that can be Open by gravity or a flick of the wrist.


9.24.025 Dangerous weapons — Use, possession, concealing, sales, manufacture.
(a) It is unlawful for a person knowingly to:

(1) Manufacture, sell, possess, purchase or carry any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as a blackjack, slingshot, sand-club, metal knuckles, chako sticks, nunchuka, throwing stars, clubs or other similar instruments which are designed or constructed to inflict bodily injury or property damage;

(2) Manufacture, sell, possess, purchase or carry any spring blade knife, balisong knife or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement;

(3) Furtively carry with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol or other dangerous weapon; or

(4) Use any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm.

(b) Exemptions. Subsection (a) shall not apply to the following:

(1) The possession of a nunchuka, throwing star or other martial arts weapon on the premises of a school which holds a business license and teaches the arts of self-defense;

(2) The manufacture of a nunchuka, throwing star, or other martial arts weapon for sale to, or the sale of a nunchuka, throwing star, or other martial arts weapon to a school which holds a business license and teaches the arts of self-defense;

(3) Use of batons or nunchukas authorized by the Redmond Police Department for use by law enforcement officers.

(c) Penalty. Any person who violates any of the provisions of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor, and upon conviction thereof shall be punished as provided in subsection 9.01.050(B) of this title. (Ord. 1968 § 1, 1998; Ord. 1791 § 1, 1994; Ord. 1524 § 2, 1989).

RCW 9.41.250
Dangerous weapons — Penalty.

(1) Every person who:

(a) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife;

(b) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

(c) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm unless the suppressor is legally registered and possessed in accordance with federal law,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

(2) "Spring blade knife" means any knife, including a prototype, model, or other sample, with a blade that is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement. A knife that contains a spring, detent, or other mechanism designed to create a bias toward closure of the blade and that requires physical exertion applied to the blade by hand, wrist, or arm to overcome the bias toward closure to assist in opening the knife is not a spring blade knife.


[2012 c 179 § 1; 2011 c 13 § 1; 2007 c 379 § 1; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 424; 1959 c 143 § 1; 1957 c 93 § 1; 1909 c 249 § 265; 1886 p 81 § 1; Code 1881 § 929; RRS § 2517.]
I'm not sure where you're getting that information - when I searched your reference, I only found it listed on a site for "Redmond Municipal Code". When I go to the Washington State Legislature site, which would be the official site of the RCW in Washington State, you find that there is no Title 9 Section 24 relating to weapons. You have to go to Title 9 Section 41 as referenced in my post above.

I suspect your reference is either outdated as someone else noted, or it may be a municipal code, not a state code. Either way, the current RCW does not reference "slingshot" under weapons, only "slung shot" - and they're not the same. A "slung shot" is really a monkey fist.

But if there is any question at all, it's probably worth asking the question of a state rep or senator to be certain.

Here is a link directly to the Washington State Legislator for Title 9 of the RCW. You'll see there that Title 9 Section 24 refers to Corporate Crimes, not dangerous weapons, which are found under section 41.

http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9
 

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Can't believe this is even an issue in the USA. Makes me laugh how ridiculous that is. Well... a Pocket Shot might be one way around it. It's technically not a "slingshot" per say and we have our own patent on it.....just sayin'.

Or:
Come on down south. We love our "weapons" here.
 

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"...which are designed or constructed to inflict bodily injury or property damage"

That's your out right there. This is why "laws" are written as such. Those that can afford/ are educated enough to hire someone to "interpret" the laws for them or by education, realize the language "hole" can get out of trouble. Those that can't, get phucked. It's elitism.

Laws like that are also, however, used as a catch-all in the supposed spirit of being there if needed in the event of undesirable acts, for example, fall in a grey area of other laws and something else is required to say, detain a person. Example: If you walk into a bar and look at the I.D. requirement policy sign posted at the entrance of some bars, like the one I worked at. You'll see it say something to the effect of "3 pieces of I.D. are required to enter this premises" . Most people don't have 3 pieces of I.D on them. But it gave us a tool to disallow entry to someone we didn't want to let in, if, for example, we thought they were going to cause problems.
 

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Can't believe this is even an issue in the USA. Makes me laugh how ridiculous that is. Well... a Pocket Shot might be one way around it. It's technically not a "slingshot" per say and we have our own patent on it.....just sayin'.
Can you as the manufacturer/designer confirm publicly that the pocketshot was not designed or constructed to be "other similar instruments which are designed or constructed to inflict bodily injury or property damage"; ?
 

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I'm not sure about any of these references but I guess I'm throwing my hat in with the Seachickens since I got the day off. I'm tired of the Pats!
Post Script, I got the day off, a pot of chilli, a dozen deviled eggs and a case of beer. If my posts start getting a little confusing I'm blaming it on the flatulence. ;)
 

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I'm not sure about any of these references but I guess I'm throwing my hat in with the Seachickens since I got the day off. I'm tired of the Pats!
Post Script, I got the day off, a pot of chilli, a dozen deviled eggs and a case of beer. If my posts start getting a little confusing I'm blaming it on the flatulence. ;)
Sounds awesome.
 

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Politicians are idiots.

Thank you so much for this, Erik!


We touched tht topic recently, and I taught my child that to build
politicians, stool is needed - I mean excrement.

That´s why we have so many incredibly competent specimen here
in Europe.. Like DSK - it´s not about prostitution, it´s about consuming
sex. From the girlfriends his pals brought with them..

You know, this normal "don´t you worry, it´s just me pal, trying to
hammer her in that mattress, that mistress!" -thing..
 

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I recall looking into the legality of slingshots for hunting in WA. DFG specifically mentions slingshots loaded with glass marbles as legal and desirable for driving off raccoons from your property, and they're a legal weapon for killing vermin (non-game) animals. So rats or gophers yes, cottontails, no. That being the case, I don't see a real problem with manufacture or possession of a slingshot.
 
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