Time to hold Bush and his chronies to account for war crimes

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  1. Ryan Wigglesworth

    Ryan Wigglesworth Senior Member

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    dailykos.com/story/2011/09/20/1018370/-UPDATED:-Welcome-to-Boston,-Mr-Rumsfeld-You-Are-Under-Arrest<br><i><br>add www to make that link work.<br><br></i><font color="orange">(note: some graphic images, mild compared to what is coming out.)</font><br><br>Former<br> Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has been stripped of legal <br>immunity for acts of torture against US citizens authorized while he was<br> in office. The 7th Circuit made the ruling in the case of two <br>American contractors who were tortured by the US military in Iraq after <br>uncovering a smuggling ring within an Iraqi security company. The <br>company was under contract to the Department of Defense. The company <br>was assisting Iraqi insurgent groups in the "mass acquisition" of <br>American weapons. The ruling comes as Rumsfeld begins his book tour <br>with a visit to Boston on Monday, September 26, and as new, uncensored <br>photos of Abu Ghraib spark fresh outrage across Internet. Awareness is <br>growing that Bush-era crimes went far beyond mere waterboarding. <br><br>Republican<br> Senator Lindsey Graham told reporters in 2004 of photos withheld by the<br> Defense Department from Abu Ghraib, &ldquo;The American public needs to <br>understand, we&rsquo;re talking about rape and murder here...We&rsquo;re not just <br>talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We&rsquo;re talking <br>about rape and murder and some very serious charges.&rdquo; And journalist <br>Seymour Hersh says: "boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And <br>the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that<br> your government has."<br><br>Rumsfeld resigned days before a criminal <br>complaint was filed in Germany in which the American general who <br>commanded the military police battalion at Abu Ghraib had promised to <br>testify. General Janis Karpinski in an interview with Salon.com was <br>asked: "Do you feel like Rumsfeld is at the heart of all of this and <br>should be held completely accountable for what happened [at Abu <br>Ghraib]?" <br><br>Karpinski answered: "Yes, absolutely." In the <br>criminal complaint filed in Germany against Rumsfeld, Karpinski <br>submitted 17 pages of testimony and offered to appear before the German <br>prosecutor as a witness. Congressman Kendrick Meek of Florida, who <br>participated in the hearings on Abu Ghraib, said of Rumsfeld: "There was<br> no way Rumsfeld didn&rsquo;t know what was going on. He&rsquo;s a guy who wants to <br>know everything." <br><br>And Major General Antonio Taguba, who led the official Army investigation into Abu Ghraib, said in his report:<br><br><font color="red"> <br> "there is no longer any doubt as to whether the [Bush] administration <br>has committed war crimes. The only question is whether those who ordered<br> the use of torture will be held to account."</font><br><br>What do you all have to say ?
     
  2. RobertP

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  3. Ryan Wigglesworth

    Ryan Wigglesworth Senior Member

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    <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0" align="center">
    <tr><td><span class="genmed"><b>RobertP wrote:</b></span></td></tr>
    <tr><td class="quote">Kill them all?</td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>HA, some may say that, and in practice we would do that ( consider Nuremburg ), but I cannot condone such things personally.<br><br>It goes against my nature to just kill them... I would rather them suffer here for long periods of time, not torture in the sense that they applied, but a type of torture like putting them in prisons among common thieves and rapists.... They deserve to have a nice long life in a virtual hell B4 actually going to hell <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" longdesc="15"></span>
     
  4. RobertP

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    Good point. But, it really is time for a change in our government and if it doesn't happen soon america will fall. I am counting on it, as this country goes deeper and deeper into debt, and they only fixes they come up with is raise taxes. While most of them profiteer off of the war, oil, and anything else they can make a dime off of. I seriously dislike the ethics of this country, We need to go back and take a look at the constitution and learn something from it. And the people who blindly support the troops and the war not even considering the facts and that our troops are just being political bullies in a sense. Might have strayed off topic a bit. Good ol rants lol.
     
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    /watch?v=jl2JQfxnnHU<br><br><br>go to youtube and add the above text to the end of the url. <br><br><br>This is a good video by Joe Rogan. Makes you think. *Explicit language.
     
  6. RobertP

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    great video! gotta love Joe Rogan
     
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    Ron Paul comes to mind........ <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_cheers.png" alt="cheers" longdesc="28"><br><br>I agree with this post and hope others do as well. <br><br>Rogan is out there but a very cool guy. I heard him on Alex Jones and found that he was very intelligent in a thought provoking. <br><br>I like these kind of posts and this is why I left the SSF.
     
  8. Ryan Wigglesworth

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    Ron Paul. Try as they might, the media and his foes cannot disarm his intellect, or make a fool out of him, he constantly puts them down.<br><br>On the down side of RP, he doesn't speak in sound bites.... which is what the public is so used to <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" longdesc="9">