Thoughts about a mass production slingbow

Discussion in 'New project ideas' started by JoergS, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. JoergS

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    I am not a big fan of slingbows.

    They will never shoot as hard as true bows EXCEPT you make them equally large.

    If you go compound (full blown cams / let off mechanism), then they even look like a bow and cost just as much.

    The hand held slingbow can maybe rival a weak recurve, but is has to be shot with a release due to the steep angle of the string.

    However slingbows are very compact and they are fun to shoot. They are also very popular among those who also like archery.

    The commercial models that are on the market are fairly horrible, but expensive. I am thinking about designing a model and offering it in the store.

    Plastic molding of course. Target price is the same as the Rambone.

    Currently my idea is to use a replacement whisker biscuit as an arrow guide. You can get Chinese ones for under 8 bucks end user price.

    http://www.redneckpoint.de/Pfeilauflagen-Bogenjagd-Jagd-Booster-Whisker-Biscuit-schwarzBooster-2

    I want to use a Rambone handle, but redesign the fork so that you can mount all of the available whisker biscuit replacements (also the original ones) into it. The frame will protect the biscuit from the onslaught of the bands, a problem that is often ignored by home made models. The biscuit needs to be recessed into the frame, otherwise it will loose its hairs more quickly than your run of the mill werewolf when the sun comes up.

    Of course this won't be the most powerful slingbow in the world (I made models that are better), but it has to be affordable and compact to be a commercial success.

    What do you think?
     
  2. Will

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    I love archery, and although as you said, they are not even close to matching the power and speed of my compound, slingbows are a kick to shoot. I would very much like to see your spin on this, designed around the Rambone! Furthermore, I think that it would be a big seller!
    The possible addition of a threaded hole for mounting a slingbow fishing reel would be very intriguing as well
     

  3. Jeremy

    Jeremy Senior member who totally rocks a pink Scout! Pink

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    I nave a commercially made slingbow. The power does not come close to my compound, but it is so much fun to shoot. Because of the size, I can practice with it a lot more.

    I too am interested in seeing your version.
     
  4. VWscooby

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    I have a slingbow converted Barnett Pro Diablo but, as you said, the biscuit does take a battering from the bands so I just dont really use it. A well designed commercial slingbow would be interesting, (they are great fun to shoot after all), especially if its in the same price bracket as the Rambone.

    I would buy one, mainly because it would look good next to the Rambone on my shelf ;)
     
  5. Withak

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    I'm with the others, I'd like to see it also. I have a commercially made model which uses a Marksman slingshot as its base. It really doesn't work well in application, partially because the arrow rest is doesn't work very well. Their arrow rest attachment is also bulky and has to be completely removed from the slingshot if you want to shoot regular slingshot ammo. What I like about the whisker biscuit idea is that it helps hold the arrow in place while you're setting the arrow in the pouch. I found it was awkward using their design. The other issue for me is that I want a model that no only works well, but quickly and easily allows me to switch between ammo - from arrow to slingshot and back again. I've seen some homemade designs based on whisker biscuits that allow the biscuit to be folded out of the way when you want to shoot regular ammo. That is the kind of design I'd like to see, and I think it makes it even more marketable. If the execution was good and the price was right, I'd buy one.
     
  6. Slagskimmer Mike

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    My tiny experience with a homemade slingbow was that my arrow (31inch/900ish mm) is on the short side.

    Some screw-on arrow extenders that make a cheap store bought arrow longer might be a neat product to sell alongside something like this.
     
  7. kohlqez

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    I think anything that gets you more money for your projects (Zombie Movie) is a great idea. I trust that like the Rambone you will include a 3d printable version as well as make a tutorial on how to make one right?

    As far as the design of the slingbow in the interest of saving you time I would like to include a few suggestions based on my own attempts and subsequent failures,
    I tried to make a slingbow out of a kavia aftermath pro I got on Amazon, but the fork's were higher then the whisker bisket so it always shot too low. Something too keep in mind is to make sure the forks match the whisker bisket or you will always be off target. I think TTF with tubes would probably be the best setup, and I would recommend at least trying to move the whisker bisket forward to be in front of the slingshot so you have maximum draw length and acceleration space.
    Also in the interest of making more money, slingbow arrows would be an idea worth a try. Pretty much just make arrows with something shaped like a nocked golf tee in the back for gripping maybe so it could be fired from a pouch or a string.
     
  8. JoergS

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    Golf tees and such only throw the arrows off balance and also they are bad for the aerodynamics.

    The only way to shoot a slingbow is to use a release. Those are affordable now that so many are on the market from China. So you use a string instead of a pouch and simply use a bow release.

    The fork must be totally level with the center of the biscuit, so a through the fork setup is a must. Also the fork must be a bit wider as the rubber must be prevented to follow the arrow through the biscuit.

    The fork should not be advanced too much because then you would need braces, making the frame bulky - losing the only advantage a slingbow has over a conventional bow.

    The choice between tubes and flat bands must be left for the shooter to decide, I see no reason to limit the frame to either one.

    Will it be convertible between a normal slingshot and a slingbow? No, that's not planned. Such convertibles are usually bad compromises. It is better to have a dedicated, well made specialist that is affordable instead of an expensive, half hearted convertible product. The Rambone and the new slingbow product are inexpensive enough that people can usually afford both :)
     
  9. Schultz

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    A Slingbow is a nice Idea, but I think that a Hybrid is possible and that you don´t need a Biscuit or a Release.
    The Hammershot Takedown from Bill Hays for Example work really good and Acurate.
    I have seen that his Daughter has Hunt a Deer with a Normal Pouch.
    He use a Ring that sit in a Bold, so that the Ring fall Down when the Rubber hit and the Ring don´t get Damage. So you can also Shoot a Ball some seconds later.
    I have build my own and its my Favorite Slingshot and also a nice Swordgrip. I have use it for my first Slingsword.
    http://slingshotforum.com/topic/20224-killing-a-deer-is-possible-after-all/
     
  10. Withak

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    Interesting - every slingbow I've seen has had a pouch, however the one I bought uses a string through the pouch that allows the arrow nock to be used, while maintaining the pouch for regular ammo. Maybe not the best setup, but an interesting solution. I don't know if it could be made to work with a release, though I seem to remember someone doing it in a youtube video, I just can't remember where. Here is the model I have, just as a reference:

    http://www.thepathfinderstore.com/deluxe-pathfinder-pocket-hunter-kit/

    I like your idea though. You may just convince me that a dedicated slingbow is the way to go. And with a price point in the range of the Rambone, it would certainly get my attention.
     
  11. JoergS

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    I believe that part is a myth.

    My slomo tests have always shown that the rubber arrives at the fork later than the projectile. Even the Trumark "patent" rotating fork prongs are useless in that regard. The ball has long passed the fork when the rubber arrives.

    I think that these "fall down" rings simply lead to unclean releases and will cause some degree of accuracy issues, especially if you use a release and not use a standard pouch.

    I think that such devices can not seriously be designed without the help of hispeed camera equipment.
     
  12. Jeremy

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    This is what I have. The metal arrow rest folds down. I have not used it much with arrows, I've used it more with 3/8 steel balls, but the few times I've used it with arrows I have not noticed decreased accuracy. I have used a release and my fingers on the arrows and the release is so much easier.

    Hunters have taken deer, elk and the creator of this model as even taken a grizzly bear in Alaska with one of these. Different band strengths are available, 30#, 40# and 503 (which is what AJ used on the bear).
     

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  13. rock slinger

    rock slinger I rarely shoot rocks!

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    well I do like the idea, I thick a good way to install the rest would be like in your African goddess sling bow, and it should have both tube and flat attachment. just like the ram bone. but I think a better thing to do is make an attachment that already fits on the rambone. maybe a n eye bolt coming straight up from the handle. That would be much more practical. as you could simple make a tutorial, and the user would test with body weight as you have already demonstrated. IF I were you I would simply just try it out. after all you might like it
     
  14. Schultz

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    What I say was that the Arrowrest don´t get damage,
    because it fall down when the Rubber hit it.
    Where is there a Myth?
    When the Arrow arrives before the Rubber hit, than it´s in my view perfekt or?
    Maybe it fall down or the Rubber hit it down.
    But the Important thing is for me,
    that the Arrowrest don´t get Damage through the Hit.
    And I think a Shoot over 30 feet into the Heart from a Deer,
    is Accurate enough.
     
  15. rtaylor129

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    I actually saw one that used metal tabs that was homemade. The tabs came from the sides and locked in place then folded downwards into the forks to shoot regular balls. The chronny showed about 250 with black tubes in them. I am not very good with all the terminology with slingshots but with an archery bow this would be about a 35lb pull if I remember correctly. That is more than enough to take down any game in North America other than a bear or buffalo
     
  16. JoergS

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    I think the fletching should not be making hard contact with the arrow rest, or else there will be accuracy issues AND the fletching will tend to be stripped off.

    I know that the Chief AJ model is a success in the market. It is my goal to bring out a model that is better AND cheaper. Killer products need to be like that.

    I firmly believe in the superior qualities of the whisker biscuit, for obvious reasons. And at under 8 bucks, it is not overly expensive.

    I think I can make a complete slingbow WITH whisker biscuit, much better ergonomics than any other product out there, at under 30 Euros, including bands.
     
  17. Schultz

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    I have never Problems that my Fletching get damage with a Ring or that the Arrow don´t flight straight, and I also thought that a Sling Bow don't need fletching for arrows or how it work that you shoot Toilet brushes, Spears and that stuff?

    I really like your Clips but I prefer the Stuff from real Hunter when I want a Killer product.
    Maybe you can also show it on long Distance when it´s ready.
    I know that Bill´s accuracy is Amazing and I have only seen you shoot from short distance.
    That is my Reason why I would prefer his, Pathfinder or AJ´s Constructions.

    I still dont know, what are your obvious reasons but ok...

    I look forward for your Creation but I think that sounds a bit King like.
    I´am sure you make good Slingshots, (I have never try one of your Designs because I prefer, to build my Own Stuff.)
    But I would never say that I build the best things... :(


    Sry for the many I, your last post reminds me only a lot of school and sentence construction, but of course I press my Thumbs for your Slingbow ;)
    But where is now the myth in my Part?! I understand it unfortunately still not... :(
     
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  18. kohlqez

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    Have you thought about including an archery release with the slingbow? I can't speak for the rest of the forum but I know that I am hesitant to buy anything that has necessary parts sold seperately
     
  19. Brazilviking

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    I want to see your conception of a simple, cheap and effective slingbow, Joerg. I really like your design ideas! Please, do it and release for sale before march...so I can order one while my parents are in the USA for vacation! Cheap shipping!
     
  20. Jeremy

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    I am a big fan of my HFX and I fully believe Jörg can make something cheaper AND better. The idea gets me excited.