Here is an idea of design for you knife builder guys. This picture comes from "The Backwoodsman" magazine and was submitted by reader Alex Moore, Appalachian Knife and Fur; [email protected] I take no claim of ownership of the picture or items in it. One has curly maple scales, the other is green canvas micarta. Both are 1095 high carbon steel, 8-1/2" overall with a 3-7/8" cutting edge. I had remembered someone was looking for design ideas and these look like winners.