Serious Power !

Discussion in 'Zombie / Prepping related stuff' started by ruthiexxxx, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. ruthiexxxx

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    I doubt that any of us are in Joerg's league when it comes to power shooting but we survivalists are going to need a lot of power if the **** really does hit the fan. Power for defence against 'zombies' (or whatever ) and the power to take larger game.

    I'm not talking about making records or earning badges. Just the creation and use of practical sling-weapons that will do the job. Apparently Madison Parker has taken deer with a slingshot. That is the sort of power I'm talking about.

    Firstly of course I'd like a place where we can talk about rubber...which will give us the power that we need. But it's more than that. At that level of power other considerations arise that must be considered....such as the strength of the sling itself, the connections, and the pouch. At this level of power anything that can break WILL break, so everything needs to be very solid, and able to remain so for quite a while. It will also need to be low maintenance if we're hoping to survive in the wild.

    The ammo of choice and its relation to the propelling rubber is another important issue.

    I would be very interested to hear what y'all would rely on in this sort of situation.

    Both my survival slingshot and slingbow are very simple , compact and strong....no armbraces (other than the paracord ones), no extended forks.
    Partially because they need to be compact, partially because it is easier to do 'power flipping' with a simple frame.

    For the bow there's no issue on rubber : TTS for me every time (fortunately I was able to get some of the old stuff, I gather that the new TTS is not as strong). I like it cut long as I tend to shoot huge bamboo arrows, sort of junior javelins! :) and, of course, there is a lot of bamboo growing round here...I just need to carry a supple of 6" nails and some gaffer's tape for the fletching.

    The slingshot is currently fitted with Dankung 50/80s (my ONLY piece of 50/80 :( ) If I could source a lifetime supply of this I would look no further. The performance is wonderful and it has lasted for quite a while which is a huge plus from a survival perspective Unfortunately the only stuff I can get from Amazon is TTB. I just made a shooter identical to the 50/80 one using TTB. It still has a lot of power...but takes far more work than the 50/80s to get it. Double .04 natural latex and triple .03s also give tremendous power but they don't seem to give me the longevity of the heavy tubes. Let's face it...if that zombie is bearing down on one then the last thing one needs is a band snapping!!

    I'm still longing to get hold of whatever Madison uses and i gather that purple DubDub is up there with the heavy hitters. If anyone has used either I would love to know more.

    What would be your choices and why?
     

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  2. zwillie

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    Hi Ruthie,
    TTB is nearly two times stronger than 5080.
    Have you ever tried to get some Mega Rubber?
    I love the Megarubber because of its compact sizes.
    The inner diameters are just 4mm and 4,8mm.
    So the strongest tube is just 14,4mm outer diameter but 80% stronger than TTS (11,4)

    Zwillie
     

  3. BeMahoney

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    honestly

    Hey Ruthy,

    to be honest, rubber would not last longer than a few years!?-
    That´s why I am pretty sure that the skill of making a bow,
    using yew, tendon to make a bowstring and being able to
    make glue out of bones and varnish out of oil-carrying seeds
    and fruit would make a B I G! DIFFERENCE

    Just like some thousand years ago!

    .. my confession.

    Greetings,

    Be

    P.s.: And because it is pretty likely that one
    person won´t master all of those skills, the most relevant
    skill of all would probably be to make FRIENDS..
    to survive?! :)
     

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  4. ruthiexxxx

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    Ooooh...please tell me more about Mega Rubber. I haven't even heard of this one. It sounds amazing.

    The TTB kills the steel dogfood cans very effectively...but so does the 50/80 for very little effort which endears it to me greatly.
     
  5. ruthiexxxx

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    Yes, we have thought along these lines and I've had a good look at making simple bows in the wild.

    Unfortunately our friends seem to be lamentably deficient in any of the skills that might be helpful :(
     
  6. Peterburban

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    Being a prepper myself (bugging in preferably) I can comply on the friend issue. Just something simple as getting ill, toothache , or in more severe cases broken limbs will get you weakened and killed in a short time. Also you are mostly not skilled in combat and survival and engineering and health care and building and farming and ... What if you grow old...
    Within a few weeks after tshtf you need to start a community again. When talking about it people think I'm crazy building food stocks, water sanitation, lots of ammo and boxes of little life savers.
    Once you become the 'neighborhood Walmart' they'll come to you. Don't fight them off, but make good use of their skills.

    Just my 2cents.
     
  7. Obl1v1Aus

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    I'm a fan of the 5080 as well, Dankung sells it it 5 metre lengths for about $10 so tis pretty affordable to stockpile. Personally I bought a 50metre roll of handspear rubber off of eBay, its pretty reasonably priced and plenty powerful for what I sling arrows at (goats and rabbits). The handspear rubber on my cheap marksman frame gets about 40lbs draw at 26".

    In any SHTF situation our supplies of most manmade things will eventually dry up (unfortunately that means our rubber too). So learning to build a bow would be a useful skill, I've built a couple from pvc, and they work pretty well. But they don't match up to my proper bows.
     
  8. zwillie

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    Many thanks for that Zwillie. I'll see if I can sort something by phone (I won't put my bank details online but don't mind ordering over a secure phone line). Unfortunately my German is very limited but your wonderful education system means there's a good chance of someone speaking English there ! Sounds like this stuff has to be tried.

    I have the same problem with ordering any 50/80. If anyone knows of a retailer in Europe from whom I could order by phone I would like to buy a LOT of this.

    Otherwise I am limited to Amazon which basically means just Theraband products. All the lovely exotic stuff I've been able to try has been by trading my slingshots or slingbows for rubber....an offer that is always open by the way y'all !

    Having said that I suppose I am quite a fan of TTB. It's hard work after the 50/80 but it does suit the style of shooting with which I feel most comfortable. I really don't like drawing much past my ear. I am reasonably happy with my cheekbones as they are and the thought of big lead whizzing by makes me feel quite uncomfortable. I do like a short draw with double TTB and 'power flipping'. As Madison Parker has said of his mighty slings...work on the power first and the accuracy will follow.

    I do take Be's point about bows. We did buy a compound bow. I must say I don't like it very much...I find the way the pull suddenly goes light a bit unnerving and I suspect it of a plot to rip out my fingernails on release. I SO wish we had gone for a recurve or longbow....oh well, I suppose one will come my way eventually.

    But I am happiest with my slingbows, especially their capacity to chuck the crudest and heaviest of arrows with reasonable accuracy.

    OK the rubber will not last indefinitely. But then I am not anticipating a long term scenario. Here in the south of Spain ,in the foothills of the mountains, we are not badly off in terms of natural disaster risk. The least unlikely eventuality would be breakdown of law and order and our preparations are mainly aimed at defending our property. To be honest I don't think I would want to hang around long in some sort of post apocalyptic world. I'd rather go down fighting and most of our endeavours are directed at becoming very skilled at this.
     
  10. Ryan Wigglesworth

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    the way i hear it , he hit that dear in between the eyes and stunned it, then slaughtered it.
     
  11. ruthiexxxx

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    I seem to recall from his vids that he claimed to have killed a number of deer outright with headshots but he did mention stunning a wild boar with a headshot and having to dispatch it whilst it was unconscious. I believe boar take a helluva lot of killing with a headshot, having very thick skulls
     
  12. zwillie

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    Hi Ruthie,
    I also do no homebanking but you could order the tubes in shops like Kugel Winnie.
    http://www.kugel-winnie.de/

    Ask him if he send to spain and pay with prepayment.
    Most shops demant this for the first order.

    Zwillie

    PS At ECM Mega Rubber you can click Spain as language
     
  13. zwillie

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    Oh, we got a shop here just 20Km away from me.
    He got everything you will need for making a bow.

    http://www.webshop-hermanski.de/website/

    He sells kangaroo leather and other nice things for slingshots.

    Zwillie
     
  14. ruthiexxxx

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    It would be so nice to have shops like that within a reasonable travelling distance !

    Thanks for the tip about the Mega Rubber. Which one would be equivalent to 50 / 80 ?
     
  15. KnuckieG

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    I did a bit of research a while back unfortunately most of my links are dead but I believe Madison uses 1/4" idx 3/32" medical latex as discussed in this thread http://slingshotforum.com/topic/3813-surgical-tubing-hunter/

    You have to buy from the USA here are some examples

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f..._sacat=0&_nkw=1%2F4%22+3%2F32%22+latex&_arr=1


    This video is of great interest Slingshot vs Pig Skull by Gamekeeper John

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IODnNEprATY

    Hope that helps :)
     
  16. KnuckieG

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    That deer kill caused great controversy at the time and a split happened targetters vs hunters. It's a shame and I'm not sure why. Even though I do not hunt and am unlikely to hunt ever knowing that a piece of wood and rubber can kill a deer outright is an incredible piece of info to store away in the possibility banks. In the UK we cannot hunt with Bows and Arrows full stop the possible likelihood of not killing outright and causing distress and injury is deemed greater than the slingshots (which we can legally hunt small game with) advantage of blunt force trauma when a kill is more likely. Of course UK is bearing in mind untrained people are going to be hunting not just trained sure shot hunters. So when you think of that Madison should have just been applauded not vilified when plenty of Ted Nugent types are shooting Compound Bows without question.
     
  17. ruthiexxxx

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    Thanks amigo....It does indeed !

    John's demo on the pig skull was very helpful in calculating the necessary force. Interesting that he sees 16mm lead as 'very heavy'

    I am with you in not hunting...and hoping that necessity never compels me so to do...but would like to be certain that anything I shoot will go down quickly and as painlessly as possible: four legs or two.

    I really must try Madison's tubes
     
  18. coyote-1

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    Problem with rubber, of course, is that the hevea brasiliensis is not a common thing in the world. There are no rubber trees here in NY. for example. And formed rubber ages. Even if you get a quantity of the stuff and manage to store it, it will become brittle over time.

    So your slingshots (and mine) will be useful for a few years. Then we'll need to have already made replacements... and honestly, fiberglass bows for crossbows (as well as recurves) are cheap and durable and powerful enough. That would be my choice of prep.
     
  19. rock slinger

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    Well, why has no one said flats. Lesser draw weights for same strength, and the ability to taper. The don't last as long, but they would be easier to shoot for those who don't lift heavy weights for fun. After all you may have to supply others. And two sets may be helpfull. A sling bow for large game, and a sling shot for small game. Because if you shoot a rabbit in the lungs and miss you would destroy all meat with some of that heavy lead. Although head shots are optimal survival hunting may not always give you the best situation.
     
  20. Tilia

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    i personally dont mind hunting at all, but i would not hunt big game with a sling... IMHO thats not wise to say it lightly

    the skill to make a good bow (and more important and more difficult arrow) is good to have, but if you looking for a weapon to take big game, and guns are now option i recommend a crossbow

    they are on averridge more powerful, and much easier to shoot reliable

    the bow is a very good weapon, but requires a lot of training and a good stalking skill to get close enough