After following this forum I bought myself a Dankung Cougar. Very happy with it, and, right up to the stage i swapped from tubes to flats, i was getting reasonably accurate. I have left it at our place in Spain - prickly pear make great targets and I'm now after suggestions for a second catapult to use here. As I'm still on the cusp between flats and tubes, so something that can use both would be good, ideally no bigger than the Cougar. Joerg's Panther would seem an obvious choice, but the finger support "spikes" make it look a bit tactical for my taste. At this stage, not too keen on naturals and I have been shooting with a hammer grip I would be grateful for any suggestions.