OT: Lance Armstrong, Doping: Bad?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by JoergS, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. JoergS

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    There is so much talking about the entire doping "scandal", really a big deal. <br><br>The usual consent is easy:<br><br>DOPING = EVIL, BAD, UNFAIR<br><br>I see it differently. <br><br>These professional athletes get everything. Fame and Fortune, to start with. All they have to do is to excite us with their performance. Why does it excite us? Because we wouldn't be able to come even close to what they can do. The greater that difference is, the more does it entertain us. <br><br>So I think these guys MUST take every single drug that increases their performance. They owe it to us, their (paying) audience. So even if it takes 20 years off their life spans - in it goes.<br><br>I expect pro athletes to ruin their bodies anyway. They are supposed to eat, drink, sleep, train and generally live for their sport. Why in the world should that kind of dedication stop at drugs?<br><br>People say doping sport stars make very bad examples for our youngsters, and that is a good point. The only one in sight, really! But professional athletes aren't a good example for our kids anyway. Chances are that the life of a kid will be a lot better if he/she learns intellectual skills rather than trying to make a living from sports - very few people can, in fact.<br><br>So I say forget all doping controls. Bring on the monsters. I want to see bike riders with legs like tree trunks, outperfoming the BMW motorcycles that the cameramen use. I want to see people that run so fast they need to change shoes eight times during a marathon (that they can finish in 90 minutes). I want to see basketball players that have to bend over in order to slam dunk a ball. <br><br>I think Lance Armstrong just turned into a looser and weakling because of his phony confession. The only thing he really regrets, obviously, is the fact that he wasn't smart enough and got caught. If he could do it all again, would he choose to be a looser, or dope + win? Of course he would dope. But he'd do it even more secretly. Come on, the guy would do ANYTHING to win. And there is nothing wrong with that. Winners are that way. <br><br>I despise him for not standing up for his true state of mind. That is not manly. He should have said: <br><br>"Yes, I did it. I had to. I'd do it again, any time. I will ignore every single rule in the world that stands between me and my triumph." <br><br>Now THAT would have been a manly statement. <br><br>Just my two cents.
     
  2. slingpit

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    I´m with you. The athlete does it for himself to be bigger,better, better than the rest.<br>And that will entertain us.<br>And so for what, it´s his decision.
     

  3. onnod

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    You have quite a point but i'd rather see my sports herous without dope so there still is a chance to become that good for my own entertainment(and to bragg a little ofcourse)
     
  4. JoergS

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    Well, doping won't ever stop. Just the methods change. So you won't likely see your heroes undoped. Uncaught is the best you can expect. Might as well accept the fact. <br><br>Weight lifters have to eat a lot of protein to build up muscle. More than you and I eat. This leads to digestive problems and gout, and will likely cause pain and diseases when the guys are getting older. <br><br>Where exactly is the difference between using doping drugs and eating like a fool?
     
  5. Mason Jar

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    My two cents- The man broke the rules and then lied> then got caught in the lie.
     
  6. Tysonspapa

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    Doping is in every sport today, they all do it. I've done a lot of track and field stuff as I was young, and even there some of the guys started ti take things, at the age of 16. Later I went into other sports, weightlifting and such, the same there. A friend of mine start taking steroids at the age of 15, he looks like a beast today, weights 10 kg less than I, but presses 50 more. Whole bodybuilding sector is full of drug abuse. Look at pics of Mr. Universe 25 years ago, like Schwarzenegger, and today, like Ronnie coleman. He looks like a gorilla, compared to Arnold. And of course that's all natural, just by eating proteins anf good genetics. <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" longdesc="7"> or Dwayne the rock Johnson, his impressive transformation over the last 2 years, and he's in his 40s. I don't care if anyone is using roids or whatever, think especially the professional athletes today don't even have a choice. Doping is everywhere, we got to deal with it. There won't be new world records without, sports will get boring etc.
     
  7. Arturo Borquez

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    Behind the Tour de France are big $$$ from sponsors TV etc ... so is almost impossible to have a clean competition ... labs are working in new almost undetectable drugs that will be tested this year ... I think that Lance recap on being a "bad winner" into a "good looser" (and don't forget his epic fight against cancer) ... anyway he was bereft of all his titles ... now for all sportsman who want to compete at 200%, burn his body quickly and die before 50 using drugs can be very rewarding ...
     
  8. mhpr262

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    I think a bit along the same lines ... professional sports is an abomination in general. <br><br>Do away with all doping control and let anybody who likes spend his days doing nothing but running, cycling, weightlifting or whatever, but tax him 100% on every cent he earns by it. The whole professional sports business has spun wayyy out of control, mayb that would help curb those excesses a little bit.
     
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    It is kind of sad in many ways. He almost won and got away with it.
     
  10. Antraxx

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    Yes, i will change it...it´s just too silly for me sorry...<br><br>Yes were getting better...even without drugs...or why do you think 100m records were beaten between 1910 and 1930? It´s calles evolution...the same thing that makes us taller every year and get even more cancer because of more cells in our body.<br><br>Apart from that, i´m outa here.
     
  11. JoergS

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    Easy now. You can express your opinion, just like I can express mine, but please don't break the one and only rule WE have here... politeness. Maybe you want to change the text of this last posting a bit?<br><br>So you think "we" are getting better and faster every year, without drugs? Why do you think that is the case? Doping happens anyway. Some (most) never get caught, is all. <br><br>I never doped, simply because I had no affordable sources when I was trying to go to the olympics. No internet back then. Otherwise, I would certainly have tried it. Like those who made it to the olympics.
     
  12. SlingShotStefan

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    "Yes, I did it. I had to. I'd do it again, any time. I will ignore every single rule in the world that stands between me and my triumph." <br><br>Now THAT would have been a manly statement. <br><br>Yes indeed, it would make so badass!
     
  13. Tysonspapa

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    Stupid question: i havent Seen the interview yet. Did he still denie that he used dope?
     
  14. JoergS

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    <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0" align="center">
    <tr><td><span class="genmed"><b>Antraxx wrote:</b></span></td></tr>
    <tr><td class="quote">It´s calles evolution...the same thing that makes us taller every year and get even more cancer because of more cells in our body.</td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>Evolution unfortunately doesn't work that fast. Research and development in doping is waaayyy faster, sadly.<br><br>The reason why we saw new records a lot in the early 1900s simply is because sport was getting organized back then, more people participated, and the equipment got better.<br><br>The fact that our kids are getting taller simply means that they eat better, or differently. <br><br>Doping hit sports in the mid/late fifties, and it is here to stay. All it takes is ONE good athlete who dopes. Then the others have NO chance. It is not realistic that at any given time NO athelete is willing to dope. Fairness can now only be achieved if doping is available to all. <br><br>If the world wants to protect children from such role models, than the sport has to be banned from public coverage entirely. Like cigarette ads and commercials. But I don't think banning sports from the media would be well accepted. <br><br></span>
     
  15. JoergS

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    <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0" align="center">
    <tr><td><span class="genmed"><b>Tysonspapa wrote:</b></span></td></tr>
    <tr><td class="quote">Stupid question: i havent Seen the interview yet. Did he still denie that he used dope?</td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>He admitted the doping, during every single Tour de France he won. <br><br>He said that he is sorry, but everybody did it, so he had no choice. <br><br>He did NOT come up with any names or background information. <br></span>
     
  16. Tysonspapa

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    Yer that's what I meant. Athletes have no choice today. But it would be interesting where allowed doping would take us.
     
  17. Arturo Borquez

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    Going to the topic ... finally it turned BAD to him (Lance) he loosed his entire career instead of some races ... anyway when the honesty is in doubt, no matter if you stick lying or admitting the truth, either ways you are finished ... my opinion that all this pursuit of never ending scores is a nonsense (unless someone could be interested in the pico-second resolution) ... a human body NEVER will challenge a cheetah in the 100 meters race no matter the drugs or sport-bio engineering, it will not happen even in 1 million years ahead ... or in other words all living creatures has limits that will never able to transgress ... the time were no more scores will be broken is approaching, with or without drugs ...
     
  18. JoergS

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    Well, did it really turn bad on him?<br><br>Lance WITH doping:<br><br>- will always be famous<br>- will always be rich (even if he has to cough up a few millions in damage coverage)<br><br>Lance WITHOUT doping<br><br>- wouldn't be famous at all. Just another mediocre bike racer.<br>- would by now have to work in a car dealership or so. <br><br>What would be your choice?
     
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    <tr><td><span class="genmed"><b>Arturo Borquez wrote:</b></span></td></tr>
    <tr><td class="quote">Going to the topic ... finally it turned BAD to him (Lance) he loosed his entire career instead of some races ... anyway when the honesty is in doubt, no matter if you stick lying or admitting the truth, either ways you are finished ... my opinion that all this pursuit of never ending scores is a nonsense (unless someone could be interested in the pico-second resolution) ... a human body NEVER will challenge a cheetah in the 100 meters race no matter the drugs or sport-bio engineering, it will not happen even in 1 million years ahead ... or in other words all living creatures has limits that will never able to transgress ... the time were no more scores will be broken is approaching, with or without drugs ...</td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br><br>That would only be true if people stayed the same size and build, even with out chemicals the human race has been growing larger (height as well as mass) over the centuries and I would not be suprised to see some people before my life ends that destroy the opinions of what is the "max" speed or strength of a human body.</span>
     
  20. Arturo Borquez

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    Well it is true that he WAS famous and earned good bucks, BUT now he loosed his foundation support and in a short time he will be history ... he will need to find another way for a living (maybe in a car dealershop or so?), and giving he is already a young man (40?) he has a lot of time ahead to struggle ... most forgotten famous sportsman end their life in poverty ... Mohamad Ali comes into my mind ... so for me that word "always" is more of "some time" ... only some huge rich bankers can say "always" (if they can, nowadays) ... in my youth (still today) I practiced biking winning some "unknown races" with "anonymous mediocre amateurs as me" racers and never feel mediocre for didn't be a top notch sportsman ... I still enjoy what I can do despite my age, I still can do a 130km rally climbing 1400 meters ... I don't judge Lance nor his choices ... I am a different person with different choices during my life ...