This shooter is just plain fun and a joy to shoot! I haven't seen anyone here post about this extremely cheap,no-tool,no-fuss banding method so here is mine! This whole rig is designed by Charles from SSF. The frame is his modification on the Small Ninja design by Dayhiker. Both of these gentlemen I consider in the "Living Legends" ranks, and I will likely mention many more as I build from contributed designs. Without rambling on much more, the recipe for the braids I used from Charles' advisory is from pouch to fork: 64,64,64,64/32,64/32,64/64 each side. Now this can be modified and fine tuned for power and length so easily that my nine year old daughter assembled one side in about 5 minutes.These do not have the speed and power of Theraband or some fast chinese tubes, but they do well enough to likely take small game with 3/4" or so rocks or around .40 cal give or take lead. Marbles go well too. Minimal handslap even shooting light stuff and far quieter than most other setups. I figured this may fire up some new guys seeing the bags of 64s were about $1.80 and the 32s were around $.75 cents at Wal-Mart. A little leather for the pouch and tabs and even a quick rustic job natural fork is ready for duty!