Kyudo for Catties

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  1. Tremoside

    Tremoside SINdustrial designer

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    Hi All,

    It’s always fun to find some things slingshot related. I’ve been a competition archer, so have the habit to keep an eye on archery. A few month back, found a very detailed and easy to follow book about Kyudo “The Way of the Bow”. It’s an illustrated handbook like edition about the Japanese traditional archery. I found a rubber practicing tool (we can call it a dummy bow) amongst all those images. That’s just grabbed my attention to start experimenting how to transfer Kyudo to my slingshot practice.

    Have to say I really like it.

    Made the following observations:
    1. The default Kyudo technique's speed is fairly slow for catties, so it needs to speed up of course.

    2. For the first I found the standing position a bit weird. Legs are pretty wide apart and totally parallel with the aiming line. Afterwards it became a really useful position. In this position the forces are driven through the legs and directed to the core muscles of the belly. It’s a fine fixed position especially if the tension is teamed up with an exhale and a solid contract of the diaphragm. It happens when exhaling during drawing.

    3. The above head figure for start drawing helps to keep shoulder blades in a lower relaxed position.

    4. The draw is helped by gravity forces on arms.

    5. I mostly shoot without bony anchor point. Found Kyudo a good choice for me to help in keeping the position of my floating release hand.
    6. The whole method made only a small impact on my accuracy. But that was important for me. Helped to reduce fatigue in my arms and by this my average scores became better. It helps to clean my mind and focus on shooting and enjoy shooting as a whole process and not just looking for results. I’m still an average shooter, but I have more and more fun.


    Sources for Kyudo
    Hoff, Feliks F. (Author): Kyudo – The Way of the Bow
    http://www.amazon.com/Kyudo-The-Feliks-F-Hoff/dp/1570628521

    Made a video extract from a longer movie:
    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJI84ocylA4&list=UUEbvPxee-807a1gztOIUWXA[/ame]

    Here is the full movie if you’re interested:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afs6Q3Q8aqY[/ame]

    A beautiful dojo for Kyudoka:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq62zqUCnvM[/ame]

    Some history of Kyudo:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DiqOLhRrZk[/ame]

    Kyudo Competition and rules:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1dwy94jeBA[/ame]

    Have a nice day,
    Tremo
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  2. That looks like a fun sport
     

  3. JohnKrakatoa

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    Thanks a lot for this my friend! I am a Japanophile so I aporeciate it a lot. Ive been trying to shoot a ss like this too and i like it although I suck at it.
     
  4. JimRhodo

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    Truth Beauty Goodness

    Or TBG for short.

    I've been looking forward to this for a few days but won't have time to watch the videos till tomorrow. Fascinating what I've dipped into. Very noble discipline.

    Thanks for taking the time to post and I think the forum will identify with a lot of kyudo aspirations.
     
  5. wellmade2040

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    Looks cool and sounds interesting, archery is something I've never tried and may try in the future, might make a PVC bow as next weekends project:)
     
  6. bigdh2000

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    I always use the stance they use because I was taught this as a child. Didn't realize it was a methodology.
     
  7. Arturo Borquez

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    Time to study !!! ... thanks Tremo ...
     
  8. BeMahoney

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    Arturo says it..

    Thanks Tremo!
     
  9. Arturo Borquez

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    unless the awkward legs position (I don't feel natural) the most fundamental of Zen applies that is, empty your mind, the breathing cycle ... when I can get it the release just happens and seems all flows timeless and space-less ... a very nice feeling ...
    On the physical world in my actual technique I search for equilibrium avoiding any unnecessary force (or rigidity), the crosswise arms position (butterfly) helps to avoid forces in your waist and the pull force transmit evenly over arm bones axis, upon exaltation (just before release) the diaphragm is completely relaxed, I put most of my weight over the forward leg ...

    EVERY TIME I feel doubts or start to think I always MISS LOL ! ...
    I have heard from other shooters that at the session end they feel (mentally) tired, I happens to me to be the contrary, I end completely relaxed feeling harmony much the same after a yoga meditation session, maybe that's why I am so addicted LOL !

    still studying the long video ... maybe I can grab something from Kiudo LOL !
    Arturo
     
  10. Withak

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    Very cool. I've seen someone do this before and it's always amazed me that people can be so disciplined - especially in our fast paced world. We want results now. I can say this makes sense in my own shooting - when I allow myself to get rushed, to try and get through as many pieces of ammo as possible, I forget to think about form, about stance, about really setting up the shot, and my accuracy fails. It's so easy to be distracted in your own mind. Yes, this really does take a lot of discipline.
     
  11. Jack739

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    Wow that is really cool, i love traditional asian sports, its like pure art!

    The way how the whole shooting process runs seems to be very though out and i never want to be on the target site of a kyudo master!

    Many common things can be adapted to slingshooting!
    For example:
    - the way one stay
    - the way one breathe
    - the way one focus on the target

    Maybe also the way one draw the slingshot, but i think if it would exist a 'Slingshot kyudo', it wouls be much like: control your stand, get a constant breath cycle, focus, aim, exhale while drawing and release at the moment when your release-hand reaches the anchor point!
    Would be cool to archieve such a shooting style!
    That is something i'm definitly going to try! Thanks for the thread tremo :D

    @aturo: i often have the same issue: at the point i feel doubts while drawing, but still release i fail at hitting every time. But sometimes everything just feels right in the moment i draw and when i then release i have a 80% hit chance :D
     
  12. Tremoside

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    Good to know you're interested! I will try to pick up more skills shooting this way and hope can make a few videos laaaater. Have a nice day JK!

    Fun, but slow Fun :D

    Thanks Jim! Your interest played a role in the birth of this thread!

    Hi Wellmade! PVC bows are fun. I don't know the length of a PVC bow that's fine for this kind of shooting, but if you pick up some experience just let us know!

    :D So you're a natural Kyudo shooter!

    You pointed out some very nice details in your shooting style and am always glad to hear any details from you.

    The feeling you depicted during shooting is very-very valuable. It's different form a strong concentration mindset. I also do not feel that exhaust at the end. Slingshooting is refreshing for my mind and body and this is why I just sad when time is up and have to finish. If I miss for a few days I'm just missing this relaxed feeling of the flow of shooting.

    Have to look into psychology resources. Maybe someone made a research about this relaxed state of mind during practicing shooting sports. Am sure it has a great influence on mental health.

    Thanks for your comment and inspiration!

    Yup Withak! I also experience this rush sometimes. Performance and hunger. But there's no reason to run. Carving, the smell of wood and rubber. We have a beautiful hobby!

    Hi Jack! Jack H. Koehler wrote a detailed description in his book (Slingshot Shooting: The Poor Man's Shooting Sport) His notes about the repetitive cycles in slingshooting can be combined with the Kyudo. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

    Have nice day,
    Tremo
     
  13. Arturo Borquez

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    ... very true about mental health ...

    Something very interesting described by the Kyudo Master is that the target is not the most important, sure anyone will like to hit the target, but it's not the goal, the target is the less important, it's only a hint, the hit (if it comes) is just the last event of a much more profound, subconsciously "complex" and rich activity, the whole shoot ... maybe a neurologist could see the spots of the brain cortex fading out and transiting to many different parts of the whole body (I mean the different chackras) during the shoot ... why I say this? ... it happens that I learned without targets LOL !, yes I started shooting to an empty catchbox without "a target pressure", my goal was learn to shoot what my body was wanting to do to feel naturally comfortable relaxed ... when you reach that state accuracy comes alone with no additional effort, I am not saying you will not miss, but even the misses will be good shoots LOL ! ... don't learn to hit, learn to shoot just like we learned to walk ...
    cheers
    Arturo
    PS: maybe better I should say teach your brain to not interfere what your body knows ...
     
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  14. JimRhodo

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    No target!

    Now there's an incentive to master technique without the pressure.

    I tried not to become over bothered about the bull but it's a fools game. OF COURSE IM bOTHERED the ecstasy of a good hit reveals it.