How do you Laminate?

Discussion in 'Show off your homemades!' started by Antraxx, Apr 14, 2012.

  1. Antraxx

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    Hey,<br><br>can´t believe there is no thread about laminated wood so far.<br><br>I´m planning my first laminate Slingshot.<br>Way less complicated than the ones from Flippinout of course...but i´d like to know <i>which glue</i> should i use/do you use?<br><br>Last time i glued olivewood and brass. I used epoxy. You know, mix the two liquids...put them in the oven...<br><br><img src="http://s1.directupload.net/images/120226/3499myfn.jpg" border="0" alt=""><br><br>Now i first want to laminate a few different woods to one solid block.<br><br>I know that wood-glue is kind of oldscool. You know, that white, waterbased liquid. You also need pressure to combine the parts.<br>I want a result that behaves like one solid part of a tree.<br><br>On a website that sells exotic woods i found none of those oldscool woodglues at all, instead i found Titebond Polyurethane Glue. It says it´s also for wood, but i don´t have a clue if that is some kind of new/beter version of woodglue. <br><br>Because woodglue is normally rock solid and used for furniture and stuff like that.<br><br>But if that PU glue is better (no pressure and dry in pnly 4h i think) i´ll try that.<br>The reason why i´m not glad with wood glue is because i want to combine two very diffrent kinds of wood.<br><br>Please tell me what you think and if you have experience with any of those glues.
     
  2. Ryan Wigglesworth

    Ryan Wigglesworth Senior Member

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    Gorilla glue is the be all and the end all of wood glues, it should never let you down. I have done tests comparing metal and wood adhesion with gorilla glue, gorilla super glue and some different epoxys. gorilla super glue was the winner for metal and wood, but gorilla glue was the winner for wood on wood.<br><br>I use gorilla glue for all my wood laminates now, and have a couple spare bottles around , its that good! It also has gap filling potential as it foams up a bit.<br><br>Also there was a thread a long time ago that talked of different glues... you must dig for it <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" longdesc="9">
     

  3. CaptainBacon

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    Titebond 2 and 3 create a glue joint that is stronger than the bond between wood fibers when properly adhered. Different woods will glue together with no problems, since the physical structure of the materials is the same. Gluing two different materials (wood to metal, plastic to ceramic, etc) is better suited to epoxies and super glues. <br><br>You can also of course use epoxy and superglue to bond wood, just know that wood glue is specifically engineered to bond the porous nature of wood.
     
  4. Antraxx

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    So Titebond 2 and 3 are a kind of woodglue? <br><br>Because like you pointed out, i want to use epoxy for the wood-metal connection again anyways, worked well. was just asking about the wood-wood part.
     
  5. CaptainBacon

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    I've used both with huge success. I just read a comparison review that pointed out that Gorilla glue has the advantage of drying to a more transparent, less visible glue joint. However they tested this by drying a solid bead of the glue rather than showing a clamped lamination.
     
  6. Antraxx

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    Hm Thanks. The color doesn´t really matter, because i think you should not try to hide a border that is visible anyways. i even want to color the glue black somehow...thinking of coal-dust atm...
     
  7. pelleteer

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    I was going to suggest Gorilla as well, but Titebond is also excellent. Use either one with confidence.<br><br>Btw, that olive and brass is just amazingly beautiful! One of the best looking slingshots I've ever seen. Well done! <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_cool.gif" alt="Cool" longdesc="6">
     
  8. CaptainBacon

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    I'd be wary of mixing particles into the glue, as it'll hinder it's ability to bond as well as it needs to.
     
  9. Ryan Wigglesworth

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    <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0" align="center">
    <tr><td><span class="genmed"><b>CaptainBacon wrote:</b></span></td></tr>
    <tr><td class="quote">I'd be wary of mixing particles into the glue, as it'll hinder it's ability to bond as well as it needs to. </td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>I have put saw dust into my glue before, or rather onto my glue, as that is only on the visible area. I didnt see the point of making the entire batch saturated...</span>
     
  10. CaptainBacon

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    Yeah, I've used saw dust with woodglue as a filler for mistakes or gaps. I've also smashed sawdust into glue joints for the same effect if I knew I would have to fill it later.<br><br>Perhaps it would work to come in after gluing to scribe out a notch of the glue line and fill it with a black filler to achieve the same effect without sacrificing bond strength.
     
  11. Ryan Wigglesworth

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    <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0" align="center">
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    <tr><td class="quote">Yeah, I've used saw dust with woodglue as a filler for mistakes or gaps. I've also smashed sawdust into glue joints for the same effect if I knew I would have to fill it later.<br><br>Perhaps it would work to come in after gluing to scribe out a notch of the glue line and fill it with a black filler to achieve the same effect without sacrificing bond strength. </td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>The gorilla super glue claims to have bits of plastic or something in it to make a firmer bond. I love this glue also...great for a finish and for a good adhesion.</span>
     
  12. CaptainBacon

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    Their website claims that it has rubber particles in it to increase the toughness. I would imagine this just means that it dries to be more impact resistant than most super glues.
     
  13. Karok01

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    Like ryan, I prefer Gorilla Glue. Here is a laminate I made.<br><a href="http://postimage.org/image/t3a5u5rj3/" class="postlink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://s19.postimage.org/t3a5u5rj3/DSC01190.jpg" border="0" alt=""></a><br>2 parts pizza board, 1 part fan blade, lol!
     
  14. Ryan Wigglesworth

    Ryan Wigglesworth Senior Member

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    That is cool man! I know that design I think also <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" longdesc="2">
     
  15. JoergS

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    I use fast setting two component epoxy glue. I mix it with sawdust when I need to fill a gap or a crack, works fine.
     
  16. Antraxx

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    Yes. Did the same and had no problems. Thats why i had the idea of mixing it with something black in the first place.<br>But the idea to remove the outer parts, let the slingshot dry and only fill the border with black(ed) glue is even better!<br><br>I think i will try Titebond first. Gorillaglue sounds very promissing too, but the advantage is that i can order all parts from one dealer. gorillaglue is only available here in germany via one seller from amazon afaik.
     
  17. Karok01

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    <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0" align="center">
    <tr><td><span class="genmed"><b>Ryan Wigglesworth wrote:</b></span></td></tr>
    <tr><td class="quote">That is cool man! I know that design I think also <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" longdesc="2">
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    <span class="postbody"><br>If you're talking about mine, it is a fat Ninja. Cheers. <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" longdesc="7"></span>
     
  18. zamarion

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    i plan on laminating too but i only have bison wood glue is that any good?
     
  19. Karok01

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    Lots of people use Titebond, so that will work fine, and I think the Bison wood glue would be fine as well, as long as you keep your piece clamped well.
     
  20. zamarion

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    then i will try it out <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" longdesc="2">