Gun myths

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  1. JoergS

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  2. BeMahoney

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    Thanks for that input

    Guns ain´t fun at all -even regarding the sound level-
    For, concerning logarithms plus ten dB(A) psychologically
    means to double the "loudness", while plus six dB(A) already
    doubles the pressure to your ears.
    The energy emitted raised by three dB means to double it..

    So if a jet-engine is launched next to you (with a loudness likely to
    tear our body tissue apart) at 160dB/10.000Watts, it would mean to
    reduce the sound power by 99,99% to bring it down to "only"
    120 dB/1Watt!-

    It´s hard to comprehend, but a fired gun at 140dB would most
    likely make most people wet their pants, by the sheer force of the
    bang (plus attract an awful ammount of Zombies ;) ).
    Reducing this by 99% is still painful to our ears...

    Another thing hard to comprehend is how easily children make "friends"
    with the thought of being shot, to die and how fun that is to be played.

    Just a few days ago the six year old son of a friend was just as
    enthusiastic as I was (being 9 or ten years old) to tell me how
    funny that Bud Spencer movie was with that bandit being shot
    in his testicles from underneath...

    This is all just as paradox as the fact that we are unable to "realize"
    our own kinetic energy if we move faster than 30km/hour..

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  3. JoergS

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    I have to say that silenced sub sonic .22s are very silent. Shot outside, the click of the hammer is the loudest part of the shot really. The impact of the bullet is louder than anything else for these things. But then again the power of sub sonic .22s is low, too - slingshots are more powerful I think.

    The article is correct about large caliber handguns, 9mm and above, though.
     
  4. BeMahoney

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    Supposing..

    I suppose you are quite aware that especially
    YOUR slingshots are WAY more powerful than
    .22 caliber guns ;)
    But if you take e.g. a Leopard II cannon, 160 dB
    are realistic (I have been told..) which would
    make tanks a good tool to attract undead from all around..

    so to say :)
     
  5. Tilia

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    i doubt that even Yoergs slings will kill a deer on 250 meters
    a good .22 will....
    and that in combination with a good silencer
    and it sounds like your shooting a strong air rifle

    well..... thats just a matter of opinion, isnt it...
    i think they are a barrel of laughs

    as long as they ar in the hands of some fun loving people and not in the hands of criminals or fascist with silly costumes ....
     
  6. Ghosth

    Ghosth Over the hill but still swinging!

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    I have to agree with Tilia here. I have in real life fired at and killed with a single shot a Jack Rabbit weighing about 15 lbs with a single head shot. No scope, iron sights back in those days. Was winter, about 0F with 2' of snow on the ground at 115 yards aprox (Was a LONG walk though that snow)

    Do I think I could have made that shot with a slingshot? Never, not at that range, and not only being able to see the head. (About apple size)

    With my Ruger 10/22 I know I will put at least 9 out of 10 shots into a 3" circle at that range.

    With my slingshots I can put them into the same 3" circle but at 1/10th the range.
    I can see me getting fair accuracy out to 30 yards but beyond that it is going to get hard.

    Both are good tools, both have their place.

    If civilization as we know it should end, ammunition will become more valuable than gold. Where we can shoot a wide variety of home made or gathered ammo in slingshots. Lead shot can be recycled again and again, when it does start to deform it can be remelted and recast. It requires no powder or primer. That alone makes it a valuable tool to have in the box. The fact that it is near silent only adds to that.
     
  7. BeMahoney

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    Don´t get me wrong

    You are totally right! I apologize for inaccurate speech;
    Peronally, I love energy, I´m not that much into speed
    and acceleration (only on my roadbike) as I am into sound.
    25 years ago we had an extreme amount of fun from
    higly energetic sound "events", including vibrations, such as
    mhhh.. those in physical surroundings (to be unprecise on
    purpose).

    I can say: I love big bangs, such as bass or even the steamtrain
    stopping by our house to then start again.. I just love those
    goosebumps..

    When I wrote that guns are no fun at all this was meant regarding
    the negative aspect of permanent presence of guns in a society.
    Which, indeed only occurs when the parameter "Human" brings
    imperfection to a theoretically stable an safe system.
    A bit just like with weapons in general, nuclear energy, fracking,
    politics and religion.. there´s always someone goin´nuts, combined
    with murphy´s law a good reason to minimize risk in general..
    (by making rules...)

    And yes, the deer should encounter a rifle, not the slingy!-
    But that´s a topic of its own, just as well as hunting or even
    the what-to-do-at-the-end-of-days issue..

    And: IMHO life itself should be "in the hands of some fun loving people and not in the hands of criminals or fascist with silly costumes", which closes
    the circle and starts that thinking all over again.

    Which IMHO should be peaceful and fearless.
    And filled with humour and some feeling for our
    human nature.

    Be
     
  8. Withak

    Withak aka Whitehawk!

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    Funny article. I often find myself counting the rounds in movies because I know the average 10-15 round magazine in any semi-auto handgun will easily hold 30+ rounds when confronted by any movie threat :)

    As to the sound, yes, they are very loud. When I go to shoot at a local indoor range, I wear very good hear protection, I would never shoot without it. The only time I would ever consider firing a gun without hearing protection would be in self-defense, when it is not feasible to get hearing protection into place. But the thought of a little temporary hearing loss versus a lot of life loss allows me to make that concession ;)

    Here is one video that clearly demonstrates the cumulative effects of hearing loss:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdbJu4IOA80"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdbJu4IOA80[/ame]

    As to guns being fun? I'm with Tilia and Ghosth on this one, guns are fun. I've enjoyed shooting them for most of my life. Target shooting with a gun to me is just as much fun as target shooting with a slingshot. Heck, you just have to look at all the fun people have with them here in 'Murica - it's all over YouTube. Take one of my favorites, Taofledermaus, here is one recent video:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDRT-bkAM5k"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDRT-bkAM5k[/ame]

    So whether it is Joerg shooting at a car door or Taufledermaus shooting at a pumpkin, it's all good fun :D
     
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  9. JoergS

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    250 meters with a subsonic silenced .22 lr?

    Wow, the ones I fired hardly reached the 50 meter target. Mind you those .22lr subsonics have a V0 of under 343 m/s, means it would take them about a second to reach 250 meters probably... dropping maybe 10 meters over that distance.

    Or are you talking about the stronger .22 caliber types, like the Magnums or .223s/.224s? But those are still pretty loud when silenced.

    Shooting guns is great fun. I had a blast in South Carolina! Ear protection is key, though.
     
  10. coyote-1

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    I like full-auto, but it is an expensive hobby. I remember at a range in Vegas some years ago, the supervisor saw that I knew how to shoot the Thompson and he said "go ahead and dump the mag". I didn't; instead, I continued my trigger taps for three-round bursts. Only at the end of my session did I take a full 50-round drum and dump it, in two long bursts. $250 flew through my fingertips in a half hour!

    But it was far more entertaining than giving that $250 to the one-armed bandits. :D
     
  11. JoergS

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    I have been to that Full Auto place in Vegas too... no charge for the gun, just for the ammo. Boy it was an expensive afternoon, but pure fun.
     
  12. Antraxx

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    .22 lang für Büchse (or LR like some call them :) ) is actually great fun.

    curtisclayne has quite some vids online, even 500 yards:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLuFF7dmTN8[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuXjMXMGvrA[/ame]

    They are perfect for pest control, and even the stronger ones are very silent when surpressed. I wouldn´t go for deer with those tho.

    But i also doubt, that those guys use our standard rimfire cartridges!
    They even use .17 for distances over 300 yards nowadays!



    Thats what she said :)
     
  13. Tilia

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    ,22 lr will do the job
    ,22 mag or ,222 ar better but indeed louder, still with a good suppressor its very good shootable without any ear protection

    and even when the ,22 lr will kill a deer on 250 meters (with a good shooter)
    you can discuss if you should take that shot...
    personally i believe you shouldn't hunt if the distance is more than 50 meters

    but thats a other discusion all together

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpIm1otEG1E[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31scE1_V2f4[/ame]
     
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  14. Tilia

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    thats imho the biggest negative of guns... the cost of ammo:(

    and the weight in a backpack :mad:
     
  15. BeMahoney

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    I´d like to have THAT much fun!

    I think THESE guys are having fun!

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR5BtXP0s0o[/ame]

    an estimated cost of one Pickup-Truck per hour!?

    Well, but REALLY nice, indeed!

    I would have a LOT of fun, I guess!

    :)

    Be
     
  16. Tilia

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    now that was a lot of fun :)

    how much would this video have costed? :cool:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d84r8gMGxFQ[/ame]
     
  17. Withak

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    True, which is where the .22lr becomes a great benefit. If you're looking for a survival rifle, you can do a lot with a .22 and you can carry a lot of rounds for far less weight. Plus with rifles like the Ruger 10/22 Takedown, the Marlin Papoose or the Henry Survival Rifle, you've got a gun that isn't that heavy and fits in a pack. Great for bug-out, light hunting, camping, etc. I agree that too many people underestimate the little .22lr.
     
  18. coyote-1

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    And .22lr, with the right ammo, can have real impact. CCI Stingers and MiniMags cycle semiautos pretty reliably, and have good velocity. Of course as velocity goes up, so does the noise level.
     
  19. ForumTech

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    That's a good article. I've heard a silenced gun. It's not silenced at all.