Greetings from Australia

Hrawk · Nov 5, 2011

Hi all, just popping in to say hi and catch up on some of the big mans latest work. One of my pics, I always like to model anything I build in 3D first. <img src="http://i40.servimg.com/u/f40/17/00/53/32/6_pack10.jpg" border="0" alt="">

shawnr5 · Nov 5, 2011

Hrawk, good to see another familiar face here. I'll finish my slingrifle this weekend and get some pictures up.

Ryan Wigglesworth · Nov 5, 2011

Welcome to the fan club <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png" alt="Very Happy" longdesc="1">

JoergS · Nov 5, 2011

Hey, welcome! Good to see the forum attracting well known slingshot makers more and more.

tommy · Nov 7, 2011

Hey Hrawk, Welcome to the forum! I am from WA, living in China at the moment, back home soon. Do you sell your slingshots? What do you know about the laws re slingshots in Aus, and do you know if they vary from state to state? Can you get a permit etc. Best wishes.

Hrawk · Nov 7, 2011

Hey Tommy, I know the laws rather well. Here is a brief summary. <img src="http://i40.servimg.com/u/f40/17/00/53/32/slings11.jpg" border="0" alt=""> Slingshot possession is governed by state police, however imports are regulated by customs which is under federal law. At present customs only stop the import of a wrist braced slingshot. I am not selling any slingshots just yet, but will be soon once I have my technique perfected. Expect to pay about $40 for a small frame, up to $60 for a larger one. Oh, I am only selling my acrylic ones. Not the ones you see above. (Hint : They are not real ! ) You can see some more of my work on page 2 of this thread <a href="/t419-amost-invisible-slingshot">http://theslingshotforum.forumotion.com/t419-amost-invisible-slingshot</a> Cheers man, Hrawk

JoergS · Nov 7, 2011

Hrawk, that is a great table! Now, there is this "rumour" that says only Y-shaped frames are illegal. Do you think the "W", the "Gloveshot" and the "Stickshot" would be legal? They don't resemble a "Y" at all.

Hrawk · Nov 7, 2011

Hey Joerg, Hope the hand is feeling better. It varies from state to state, here is the exact wording taken from the current NSW act. Essentially it comes down to how good your legal defence is when and if you get caught. If anyone from the other states is interested, contact me and I will drag out the info for you. Again, this is NSW only. Regarding the 'W' Weapons Prohibition Act 1998 No 127 Schedule 1 Prohibited weapons, Section 2, Paragraph 6 (6) A slingshot (being a device consisting of an elasticised band secured to the forks of a "Y" shaped frame), other than a home-made slingshot for use by a child in the course of play. Regarding the 'Gloveshot' Weapons Prohibition Act 1998 No 127 Schedule 1 Prohibited weapons, Section 2, Paragraph 7 (7) A Saunders 'Falcon' Hunting Sling, or any other device in the nature of a hunting sling, catapult or slingshot that is designed for use with, or a component part oh which is, a brace that: (a) fits or rests on the forearm or on another part of the body of the user, and (b) supports the wrist against the tension of elastic material used to propel a projectile.

Hrawk · Nov 7, 2011

I would argue that a W shaped frame does not meet their definition of a slingshot. I would also argue that a glove shot DOES NOT support the wrist against tension. Hrawk

JoergS · Nov 7, 2011

Hrawk, the hand is no longer throbbing, but it will take two weeks before I can start shooting again. I agree with you, a "W" is not a "Y", and the gloveshot does not support the wrist at all. So both should be legal.

tommy · Nov 8, 2011

Great discussion guys, thanks. Thanks for the info Hrawk. can you send me any links or info you might have specific to WA on this please. To paraphrase: I take it I can import any slingshot into Perth Airport in my case, as long as no wrist brace is attached. Once in the state I should not be in posession of a fitted slingshot or frame, right? But arguably a "W" or gloveshot is ok. If that is the case, maybe I can build a frame with a false w at the base of the Y!!! haha! Good news on the hand Joerg, you must be very healthy!

Hrawk · Nov 8, 2011

Sure buddy, info can be found at the following link: Sorry, I cant post links yet <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" longdesc="3"> My interpretation of this is that home made slingshots are legal provided they have no wrist brace. Commercial slingshots are not legal. As far as commercial slingshots go, people like Jim Harris (Performance Catapults) and Bill Hays (Pocket Predator) make them at home don't they ? I'm sure a good defence could argue that these are in fact home made and not commercial. The important bits are: WA WEAPONS REGULATIONS 1999 - SCHEDULE 1 (5) A catapult made or modified to be used with an arm brace that fits or rests on the forearm to support the wrist from the tension of the elastic material used to discharge the missile (e.g. the article commonly known as the “Saunders Falcon Hunting Sling&rdquo

. (6) A catapult — (a) made or modified to be used without the arm brace referred to in item 5; and (b) made for commercial distribution.

JoergS · Nov 8, 2011

Well, "commercial" means they are made as goods to be sold for a profit. So both Bill's and Jim's products would be illegal. Great news is that homemades are legal as long as there is no forearm brace. So even a slingshot crossbow should be OK.

Hrawk · Nov 8, 2011

Yeah, should be ok. Weapons Prohibition Act 1998 No 127 Schedule 1 Prohibited weapons, Section 2, Paragraph 5 (5) A crossbow (or any similar device) consisting of a bow fitted transversely on a stock that has a groove or barrel designed to direct an arrow or bolt.

tommy · Nov 10, 2011

Great intel, now I am really motivated to get that marine ply multiplex under the saw without fear of Mr Plod knocking on the door. Thanks guys

JasonP · Dec 14, 2011

Hi, I also live in NSW Australia and have just read through the laws relating to this topic. It is somewhat comical to note that although a week slingshot with a wrist brace is illegal, Joerg’s mighty RTZAS is perfectly legal. Furthermore any slingshot crossbow is legal provided you don’t shoot arrows or bolts from it. Does anyone know how the laws differ from on private property as a pose to public spaces such as a park in NSW?

Hrawk · Dec 14, 2011

Public park, state forest, crown land, expect to get your ass kicked a LOT harder.

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