Confusing Fork Hit

Discussion in 'General Slingshot Discussions' started by von_z2, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. von_z2

    von_z2 New Member

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    <div>Hey guys, I'm hoping Joerg and maybe other experienced Hammerhead shooters can help me figure something out. A few weeks ago I started shooting Hammerheads (made exactly from Joerg's blueprint). I love the design, and shoot comfortably and accurately about 99% of the time. Twice now, however, I've gotten a fork in in the center of the bottom of the fork, so the ammo skips off the wide fork bottom. I'm not sure what I did wrong to cause it. When I've gotten fork hits with other slingshots in the past, it always hit one of the fork tips off to the side and it was because I was holding something crooked. With this, however, nothing is crooked. My bands are exactly identical, the ammo is centered in the pouch, and I'm holding the slingshot perfectly straight, as far as I can tell. Like I said, it's only happened to me twice out of all the shots I've done. The only other factor I can think of is my release, but I feel like I'm doing it the same way every time. Any ideas, suggestions, or input would be much appreciated. Thanks! </div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div">
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  2. bushcraft kid

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    I dont have any expirence with the hammer head design but i have had fork hits in the same area on my trumark wristbraced slingshot and i think it was from un centered ammo in the pouch but if your ammo was centered, i don't know, Do you flip when you shoot? because it could be a late flip that causes the hits.
     

  3. von_z2

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    <div>I don't force a flip. I just let the slingshot move naturally after release. The ammo is definitely centered in the pouch. </div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div">
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  4. bushcraft kid

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    Hmmm, i would call in the experts then, one last question what type of ammo are you using?
     
  5. von_z2

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    <div>1/2 inch steel with properly matched bands. </div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div">
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  6. bushcraft kid

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    Yeah, I don't know than...
     
  7. JoergS

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    Are you using a pouch with a proper center hole? It should be about 60% of the dia of the BB, so in your case 7,5mm or so.<br><br>If you don't use a big enough center hole, sometimes the BB slips out of the pouch in flight. Then it won't be accelerated to full speed and will start to drop very early. Then it hits the middle of the fork.
     
  8. von_z2

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    <div>Yes, I made sure I had a big enough center hole before shooting. I should probably add that I don't hold the slingshot straight up and down when I shoot. I've found that holding it at about a 45 degree angle is the most comfortable and I use the top fork tip to aim. The pouch is turned slightly so that it remains straight up and down. </div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div">
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  9. Arturo Borquez

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    If you shoot it too canted (with low forks) aided with sudden movement (in the wrong direction) when releasing you can get the hit there ...
     
  10. ghost0311/8541

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    Was the wind blowing I get a weird hit on some of mine out of the blue and found it to be the wind when I have a full draw and the wind blows my band and makes a vibrating sound I will get a weird hit don't know if that's your case
     
  11. FIAAO

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    <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0" align="center">
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    <tr><td class="quote">Yes, I made sure I had a big enough center hole before shooting. I should probably add that I don't hold the slingshot straight up and down when I shoot. I've found that holding it at about a 45 degree angle is the most comfortable and I use the top fork tip to aim. The pouch is turned slightly so that it remains straight up and down. </td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br>For some reason I almost always get fork hits if I hold it that way. That is what killed my first Mahogany Moorhammer. I find it the easiest way to avoid fork hits is to hold the slingshot straight.</span>
     
  12. bushcraft kid

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    <tr><td class="quote">Yes, I made sure I had a big enough center hole before shooting. I should probably add that I don't hold the slingshot straight up and down when I shoot. I've found that holding it at about a 45 degree angle is the most comfortable and I use the top fork tip to aim. The pouch is turned slightly so that it remains straight up and down. </td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br>For some reason I almost always get fork hits if I hold it that way. That is what killed my first Mahogany Moorhammer. I find it the easiest way to avoid fork hits is to hold the slingshot straight.</span>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>I have heard the exact opposite, that the only way to avoid fork hits is too turn the pouch in relation to the slingshot, PFShooter has a video on youtube about the topic. But i really think it is a matter of personal style, every one shoots a little bit differently, that is what makes slingshots so great <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png" alt="Very Happy" longdesc="1"></span>
     
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    I had 3 fork hits in a row with one of my slingshots, i was turning the pouch when shooting <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_scratch.png" alt="scratch" longdesc="33">. Now i turn the pouch only when shooting my PFS.
     
  14. stej

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    Just turning the pouch is not enough IMO. You have to "wrap" it around the index finger so that the pouch jumps over the index finger.
     
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    <tr><td class="quote">Just turning the pouch is not enough IMO. You have to "wrap" it around the index finger so that the pouch jumps over the index finger.</td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>That is only necessary when shooting pickle fork shooters or bareback (without frame, holding the rubberbands in your hands).<br><br>I have a moorhammerlike slingshot and have also had some fork hits at the center of the fork. I am by now convinced that ALL fork hits (not only with the Moorhammer, but with any slingshot I own) are the result of a bad release, and a lot of bad releases are caused by unsuitable pouches (too small, too stiff to properly hold the ball). I have - had - several store bought pouches from Kugel winnie and they were so bad I just threw them away unused. <br><br>ANother reason for a bad release: people tend to shoot with too powerful bands too early. That causes them to develop the bad habit of "throwing open" the hand that is holding the pouch instead of just relaxing their muscles and letting the bands "suck" the pouch from their fingers, as I call it. That "throwing open" motioncauses a LOT of fork hits, I suspect. And if you have a bad pouch too it only makes the problem worse.</span>
     
  16. onnod

    onnod Im from Holland, isnt that weird?

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    pouches are usually only the problem when they aren't symmetrical, or too thick, stiffnes usually can be removed by pulling it over the tables edge.<br><br>release on the other hand indeed is a big problem, if my release is of, the ammo usually is too and this causes big misses.
     
  17. stej

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    <tr><td class="quote">Just turning the pouch is not enough IMO. You have to "wrap" it around the index finger so that the pouch jumps over the index finger.</td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>That is only necessary when shooting pickle fork shooters or bareback (without frame, holding the rubberbands in your hands).<br><br>I have a moorhammerlike slingshot and have also had some fork hits at the center of the fork. I am by now convinced that ALL fork hits (not only with the Moorhammer, but with any slingshot I own) are the result of a bad release, and a lot of bad releases are caused by unsuitable pouches (too small, too stiff to properly hold the ball). I have - had - several store bought pouches from Kugel winnie and they were so bad I just threw them away unused. <br><br>ANother reason for a bad release: people tend to shoot with too powerful bands too early. That causes them to develop the bad habit of "throwing open" the hand that is holding the pouch instead of just relaxing their muscles and letting the bands "suck" the pouch from their fingers, as I call it. That "throwing open" motioncauses a LOT of fork hits, I suspect. And if you have a bad pouch too it only makes the problem worse.</span>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br><br>Yep, I meant PFS because toksick mentio.ed that. Besides thst I agree 100% with youwith one exception - pouches from kugel winnie. I don't know them..</span>
     
  18. von_z2

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    <div>Thanks for all the input guys. I've done some more shooting and I'm pretty sure it's my release that has been the problem. I think I just need to put more shots down range to develop better consistency. As far as the pouch goes, it's definitely not that. I'm using beautiful kangaroo leather pouches from Simple Shot with perfectly centered center holes that are 60 percent of my ammo size. </div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div">
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