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  1. Arturo Borquez

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    Avoiding the use of the fork tip reference (the narrow and short forks of a PFS helps), instead using "bands projection" ...
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKPr-gIWnCs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKPr-gIWnCs[/ame]
    Cheers
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  2. Thistle

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    [​IMG] Excellent Arturo! It looked to me like a 5/5?

    I hope to shoot like this some day. Full butterfly terrorizes me at the moment. I took a really nasty hand hit last time I tried it, and I have not gotten back up on that bucking bronco just yet. But I will eventually!

    I am enjoying some slow, girly shooting at the moment. In fact, I've settled into a comfort zone (not good, I know), but I'm thinking I might just stay there for awhile and see what happens.
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  3. Arturo Borquez

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    4th shoot slightly touched, not plain, almost missed ...
    I did a tutorial for shooting PFS butterfly (ugly English, but understandable)
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW8eIxi4OWo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW8eIxi4OWo[/ame]
    tortsen does the same (search youtube), only works with long draws (past your shoulder) if you anchor somewhere over your face don't use it, you will likely get a fork/hand hit by "reverse tweaking" because natural position of the hand face inwards ...
    to prove this concept I did no frame butterfly (bareback) shooting
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUdHfW4qQMA[/ame]
    NEVER DO THIS if you don't master the technique (turn & tweak or bend), VERY DANGEROUS

    Cheers
    Arturo
     
  4. Arturo Borquez

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    today, with Saderath Kermes Oak,
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLh5lLsZ9zU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLh5lLsZ9zU[/ame]
    enjoy
    Cheers
    Arturo
     
  5. flicks

    flicks ...lost in the woods....

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    Wow Arturo - incredible shooting. When you are shooting full butterbly, it looks very easy and relaxed. Last time I've tried it, I hit my cheekbone. (yes, I know what you gonna say: KEEP YOUR HEAD AWAY FROM THE BANDS, YOU FOOL) :rolleyes:
     
  6. Arturo Borquez

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    @flicks, the PFS is tricky shooting butterfly, first of all safety, avoid fork and hand hit (turn+tweak or bend) so you cannot rely any more on fork tip reference, the path of shoot passes out the center of the fork and of course when doing butterfly you mas leave a safety room, again the bands are 5 cm off from your eye center, so it cannot be aimed as a gun, I do a "projection" that's why I say aiming the "less" it's what you see like throwing a spear I guess ... but torsten does this way and he is an accuracy monster, it can be done not as well he does but at least enough to make me happy ...
    Cheers
    Arturo
     
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  7. flicks

    flicks ...lost in the woods....

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    I will try it again Arturo - for sure! I blame it in this case on my usual aiming practice (over the bands and fork tips). A moment lacking in concentration and it happened...

    Again thanks for your very helpful videos!
     
  8. Thistle

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    Flicks is right. You make it look so easy when I study your vids. You're so cool and calm about it.

    I'm like this:
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    Zany. I have to learn to settle down and focus if I'm ever going to try that again. I consider that advance shooting tho.

    But [ahem] in my defense I did not know about you or DGUI at the time.

    I had not watched any tutorial videos. I wasn't aware of anything much when I tried that butterfly maneuver. I know not what made me do it. [​IMG] I just charged in there and started doing my thing. It taught me a good lesson. Don't be so stupid with a slingshot! They hurt! I couldn't feel my hand for an entire day. What a mess!

    And yes, I had anchored over my face too. Exactly what you say NOT to do. I'm lucky it was just my hand that got smashed.

    I like your videos a lot. They are EXTREMELY HELPFUL! And inspiring. I can't say enough good stuff about them. It will help some of the new kids not to do stupid stuff -- like me. [​IMG]
     
  9. Thistle

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    Geez, Flicks! Are you okay??? [​IMG]

    Are we gonna have to take your slingshots away and ground for a month or so.
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  10. flicks

    flicks ...lost in the woods....

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    Thanks for asking, but I am OK. It was just a graze, but enough that I am looking like I had a brawl:D That what had suffered most was my self-confidence:rolleyes:
     
  11. Thistle

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    Alright. As long as you're ok. I suppose I can giggle about it now. Don't know what Papa Bear is gonna think, but I'm thinking I'd like to hear how you're explaining this slingshot shiner to family/friends/colleagues. :eek:

    I'd use the normal standby phrase: I ran into the door knob. It usually works, I think.
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  12. flicks

    flicks ...lost in the woods....

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    As I like mountainbiking, scratches in my face are not unusual ;)
    Running into the door knob - nice :D
    Back on topic - today I tried shooting butterfly again (at least 3/4 draw). Following Arturo's instructions it worked perfect and aiming with a projection was much easier than expected.
    Thanks again Arturo, I think you've saved my head....:)
     
  13. Arturo Borquez

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    Glad you could make it SAFE flicks, ha ha don't harm yourself or one of your beauties LOL ... it is wise 3/4 butterfly and after some thousand shoots going slowly to full, I still shoot 3/4 because I start full and after 2 bands reties allows only 3/4, but it is good to develop a natural form shooting with different anchors ...
    Cheers
    Arturo
     
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    @flicks ... I've made a demo step by step video for you (and of course other fellows) on how I shoot butterfly ...
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7FTvTmovUM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7FTvTmovUM[/ame]
    I hope may help and encourage others ...
    Cheers
    Arturo
     
  15. flicks

    flicks ...lost in the woods....

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    Wow Arturo my friend! Thanks a lot for your efforts making this very helpful video. I will try to improve my butterfly skills on the weekend (and I will keep my face out of the shooting line - promised :rolleyes:)
     
  16. Arturo Borquez

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    My pleasure, only took a couple minutes break, I am glad if my experience can help other fellows to avoid unpleasant moments or bad injuries ... I love this sport/hobby ...
    Cheers
    Arturo
     
  17. tokSick

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    Great vidzz Arturo and thank you very much for your explainations. Cheers.
     
  18. von_z2

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    I use this same technique now to shoot sideways full butterfly and it is my favorite. I have tried every other technique, and this one is the fastest shooting and most accurate for me. I use it with my PFS, Hammerhead, and everything in between, and I've never gotten a fork hit or hit myself. I actually let the band touch my cheekbone just under my eye too. There is no reason to be afraid of shooting butterfly if you use good technique. I'm not as good as you yet, Arturo, but I'll get there eventually. :)
     
  19. Arturo Borquez

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    I like it too, powerful and accurate, anyone can do it no matter the frame, it's a lot of fun, and sure you will improve a lot, maybe I do more shooting and that explain why I am shooting a way better than 3 month ago ... this style is very promising, I am noticing improvements day by day ... YES YOU CAN :)
    Cheers
    Arturo
     
  20. Thistle

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    I know I can, Arturo. And I will. But mostly because you have been inspiring and very generous with your tutorials. Thank you! Very much appreciated. I love watching you do that. You're very good at it. Your form is absolutely perfect. And you are clearly having a great time.
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