Absolutely sickening!

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by ultimatelizardman, Mar 27, 2013.

  1. Today, whilst i was eating my lunch in a "snack" (a small restaurant), i overheard a<br>highly-agitated, <u><i>multi-racial</i></u> group of 5 or 6 youths dressed like typical "hollywood-thugs" <strong>loudly</strong> talking about "busting up" some boy they did not like, mocking an old lady who was murdered during a robbery and bragging about "breaking the face" of some random guy on the street because he "looked funny", all whilst banging on tables, playing around with steak-knives and generally behaving like brain-damaged animals.<br>The worst part of this situation is that i was afraid to interfere for fear of getting the police involved, mainly due to the fact that everyone else, <strong>including the owner</strong>, completely ignored (although they most definitely heard) the bastards, which implies that they either fear them or condone their behavior (I do not like getting the police involved in anything, because, as Toksick can already tell you, the Belgian police are often horrible people who seem to enjoy harassing and/or arresting honest folk whilst letting criminals run free).<br><br>It has gotten bad to the point that a lot of gangs are not racially or even financially motivated anymore, rather they now consist of random violent youths from various ethnic backgrounds banding together in order to easily harass, rob, assault, rape and murder weak individuals <i><u>for thrills alone</u></i>.<br><br>I'm sick and tired of the self-destructive and apathetic mentality of the average west-European.<br>If the current trends of home invasion, motiveless violence and rioting continue to escalate in severity and spread across Europe (which they will due to the rise in "thug culture") i can guarantee that the average citizen will be in a world of "doo-doo", mainly due to the fact that most of them are pathologically lazy, do not have any effective means of self-defense and/or lack the brainpower to think themselves out of a large paper bag, let alone a societal breakdown.<br><br>However, whenever i see the growing number of European members on this forum aswell as some of the survival forums i frequent, a <u>tiny</u> amount of my faith in humanity is restored.<br><br><span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal">...i feel much better with that off my chest...</span>
     
  2. tokSick

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    Hi ULM,<br>I really understand what you feel about those kind of behaviors. To be honest, i was not a nice guy when i was young but came the day i realized what i was doing was wrong and will only get me in toubles. Now, young people don' t realize that until it is too late. Most of them never do. Education is the biggest problem i think. When i was young, if i made something wrong, my mother would not have hesitated to give me a slap in the face and then i would learn my lesson. If something like that happened now, the child would bring his mother in court and she could go to prison. I don' t say slaping is the solution, it is just an exemple. <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" longdesc="15">
     

  3. onnod

    onnod Im from Holland, isnt that weird?

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    i totally understand too, doing something is scary and possibly dangerous, a couple of friends of mine got into a fight with some thieves, most of them got several small wounds and one even got cut. knowing those things happen even couragious people won't do anyting.
     
  4. Bert the Welder

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    I hate hearing this kind of thing. Disappointing that owner didn't just kick them out. Political correctness has gone to far and lack of serious consequences for ones actions, starting at an early age, is part of the reason. Too many people that shouldn't be having kids leaving them for others to "take care" of. Too much entitlement. Too many excuses being made to divert attention from the core reasons for the degradation peoples behaviour. It's not these kids fault. They were allowed to get like this. <br>Uug!<br>Thank your Mom for the smacks Toksick, you're probably a better man for it. <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" longdesc="7">
     
  5. I'm afraid that the proverbial crap is just about to hit the fan; I just saw some wool-for-brains try (and fortunately fail) to set a car on fire just outside my house whilst a pack of ruffians cheered him on, to put this in context let's not forget that there have also been steady increases in crime rates (the murder rate alone recently rose from 1.7 to 1.9 in Belgium) and calls to violence by politically-motivated (mostly communist) gangs of thugs, from all across Western-Europe, who openly expressed a desire to emulate the riots which took place in England.<br><br>I'm sorry if i sound like an alarmist or appear otherwise negative, but i am deeply disturbed by the fact that the lives, livelihoods and futures of many innocent individuals have been jeopardized by the self-destructive passivity and total irresponsibility of the average West-European.
     
  6. squidget

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    <tr><td class="quote">Hi ULM,<br>I really understand what you feel about those kind of behaviors. To be honest, i was not a nice guy when i was young but came the day i realized what i was doing was wrong and will only get me in toubles. Now, young people don' t realize that until it is too late. Most of them never do. Education is the biggest problem i think. When i was young, if i made something wrong, my mother would not have hesitated to give me a slap in the face and then i would learn my lesson. If something like that happened now, the child would bring his mother in court and she could go to prison. I don' t say slaping is the solution, it is just an exemple. <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" longdesc="15">
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>a slap perhaps is not always the best solution but the big problem here in australia where similar behaviour is happening is that there is no one that will stand against this, <br>as a boy did i get up to serious mischief but i was prepared for the consequences of my actions i have 5 children and they are being taught in schools that they are not responsible for their actions it is how they are made up.<br>here is where i draw a hard line these youths and children are behaving the way they are because the Adults of their lives allow this behaviour.<br><br>if we look at it this way a slingshot by itself only knows how to shoot a projectile; it is not active though until it is allowed to do so, and that can only happen from an exterior action. these children that are carrying on is because they have been trained to do this simply by lack of discipline from the influencing adults for what ever reason.<br><br>if any of my children were ever doing such things they would not get a slap from me they will not walk until mended then they repair everything they have harmed or destroyed. <br><br>im far from a perfect parent and far from a goody goody but through discipline we learn self control and this is not happening with the youth and children now <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" longdesc="3"></span>
     
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    <tr><td class="quote">they [children] are being taught in schools that they are not responsible for their actions </td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br><br>This destruction of individual responsibility in addition to the systematic disempowerment and pacification (dare I say castration) of the law-abiding citizen by left-wing policies is the reason all countries, without exception, have experienced a steady rise in crime and general incivility, aswell as suicide, since they came under the control of a socialist/communist/liberal government.<br><br>As much as I dislike political arguments, one has to face the fact that left-wing policies such as destroying families, forbidding "harsh" discipline, restricting civilian access to weapons, encouraging laziness, discouraging individuality and tolerating/promoting drug abuse are undoubtably leading to an increasingly incivil, criminal, unjust and quasi-eugenicist society where the strong can abuse the weak with impunity and where those who cannot "fit-in" (due to their physical appearance, age, religious/spiritual beliefs, interests and/or personality) are ignored and/or oppressed by the aggresively collectivistic majority, to the point that their lives become virtually unliveable.</span>
     
  8. squidget

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    <tr><td><span class="genmed"><b>ultimatelizardman wrote:</b></span></td></tr>
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    <tr><td class="quote">they [children] are being taught in schools that they are not responsible for their actions </td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br><br>This destruction of individual responsibility in addition to the systematic disempowerment and pacification (dare I say castration) of the law-abiding citizen by left-wing policies is the reason all countries, without exception, have experienced a steady rise in crime and general incivility, aswell as suicide, since they came under the control of a socialist/communist/liberal government.<br><br>As much as I dislike political arguments, one has to face the fact that left-wing policies such as destroying families, forbidding "harsh" discipline, restricting civilian access to weapons, encouraging laziness, discouraging individuality and tolerating/promoting drug abuse are undoubtably leading to an increasingly incivil, criminal, unjust and quasi-eugenicist society where the strong can abuse the weak with impunity and where those who cannot "fit-in" (due to their physical appearance, age, religious/spiritual beliefs, interests and/or personality) are ignored and/or oppressed by the aggresively collectivistic majority, to the point that their lives become virtually unliveable.</span>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>well said <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png" alt="Very Happy" longdesc="1"><br>I've<br> heard adults call the children the "me" generation , but this is <br>incorrect simply because there are many "adults" out there that are self<br> centered and the children are only learning from them.<br><br>often i wonder if it can be simplified down to one man wanting to dominate another?</span>
     
  9. Bert the Welder

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    AMEN!!!!!<br>PC is out of control!!!! <br>If I hear one more parent say "use your big words" to a 3 yr old throwing a temper tantrum, I'm gonna snap!!! <br>Lazy, stupid people having kids they shouldn't be having. So many of the people I know/ have met with kids that are fucking brats have stated they are not going to copy their parents ways because they got grounded, or smacked for fucking around, or not given everything they want. And the joke that they don't see is that most of them are actually good people with good common sense(in most respects...) and their upbringing is partially responsible for that.<br>Argh!<br>Rant over***** <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" longdesc="7"><img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_tongue.png" alt="tongue" longdesc="24"><img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_silent.png" alt="silent" longdesc="25"><br><br><br><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0" border="0" align="center">
    <tr><td><span class="genmed"><b>squidget wrote:</b></span></td></tr>
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    <tr><td class="quote">Hi ULM,<br>I really understand what you feel about those kind of behaviors. To be honest, i was not a nice guy when i was young but came the day i realized what i was doing was wrong and will only get me in toubles. Now, young people don' t realize that until it is too late. Most of them never do. Education is the biggest problem i think. When i was young, if i made something wrong, my mother would not have hesitated to give me a slap in the face and then i would learn my lesson. If something like that happened now, the child would bring his mother in court and she could go to prison. I don' t say slaping is the solution, it is just an exemple. <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" longdesc="15">
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>a slap perhaps is not always the best solution but the big problem here in australia where similar behaviour is happening is that there is no one that will stand against this, <br>as a boy did i get up to serious mischief but i was prepared for the consequences of my actions i have 5 children and they are being taught in schools that they are not responsible for their actions it is how they are made up.<br>here is where i draw a hard line these youths and children are behaving the way they are because the Adults of their lives allow this behaviour.<br><br>if we look at it this way a slingshot by itself only knows how to shoot a projectile; it is not active though until it is allowed to do so, and that can only happen from an exterior action. these children that are carrying on is because they have been trained to do this simply by lack of discipline from the influencing adults for what ever reason.<br><br>if any of my children were ever doing such things they would not get a slap from me they will not walk until mended then they repair everything they have harmed or destroyed. <br><br>im far from a perfect parent and far from a goody goody but through discipline we learn self control and this is not happening with the youth and children now <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" longdesc="3"></span>
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    <tr><td class="quote">AMEN!!!!!<br>PC is out of control!!!! <br>If I hear one more parent say "use your big words" to a 3 yr old throwing a temper tantrum, I'm gonna snap!!! <br>Lazy, stupid people having kids they shouldn't be having. So many of the people I know/ have met with kids that are fucking brats have stated they are not going to copy their parents ways because they got grounded, or smacked for fucking around, or not given everything they want. And the joke that they don't see is that most of them are actually good people with good common sense(in most respects...) and their upbringing is partially responsible for that.<br>Argh! </td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>I concur, the brainwashed herd of PC sheep and their "i don't want to be my father" mentality are rapidly destroying every society in which they have taken hold, almost akin to how cancer destroys a body.</span>
     
  11. squidget

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    <div>honestly in my pat time job ive run into both kinds of people but when you sit and talk to both it comes down to one simple thing more often than not <br>selfishness<br><br>the ones that use the excuse "i don't want to be like my parents were" most of the time are simply too lazy to drop what their doing to correct their child there and then, and then take the time to explain why they got in trouble.<br><br>the other one that has happened here in australia is the government was giving mothers $5,000 to have a child well you can only guess what came from that, many children were conceived for the money then the single mum cry s poor to the government and in its stupidity the government gives her almost $600 a week with benefits PER CHILD.<br><br>if this isn't bad enough there is now third generation of children that know nothing else but a life like this. <br><br>my wife and i have 5 children the youngest boy is severely disabled and requires 24 hour care at this point of his life, i work part time averaging $400 a week and we are not able to receive a handout from the government because ive chosen to work when i can rather than being a burden on the system. this is just how i was brought up if my dad was still alive and cheating on the systen he would have kicked my butt into next year. but trying to get these children who now are at the age where they too can have children to understand this is very hard.<br><br>sure as a kid my i grew up on Dennis the menace comics and tried to copy some of the things he did usually ending up with a belting from it lol. <br>when it boils down there are really three things that i see in the decay of society <br>selfishness<br>disrespect<br>laziness<br><br>ok ill get off the soapbox now before the veggies start lol<br>mind you its a cheap way to get free fruit salad <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_razz.gif" alt="Razz" longdesc="9">.</div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div">
    <br>:cheers:If in doubt place it between rubber and shoot it <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_cheers.png" alt="cheers" longdesc="28">
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    Horrible, makes me sad to hear.<br>I don't know much of the belgian situation but around here I see the same pattern and my best guess is that kids these days don't have enough real problems because everything is served to them and whatever they do they are met with understanding.<br>I know I may sound like an old fart now but when I was in my early teens and tried to act up I got told to my room and in my older teens if I wanted to get some beers and a pack of smokes for the weekend I had to work for money, if I wanted to take my girlfriend to the movies it was the same story.<br>In the end I didn't have no time to hang around the mall and be an asshole to people.<br>Raise the demands on young people would be my solution.
     
  13. Bert the Welder

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    <br>the ones that use the excuse "i don't want to be like my parents were" most of the time are simply too lazy to drop what their doing to correct their child there and then, and then take the time to explain why they got in trouble.<br><br>the other one that has happened here in australia is the government was giving mothers $5,000 to have a child well you can only guess what came from that, many children were conceived for the money then the single mum cry s poor to the government and in its stupidity the government gives her almost $600 a week with benefits PER CHILD.<br><br>if this isn't bad enough there is now third generation of children that know nothing else but a life like this. <br>.</td></tr>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>We've got the same problem here in Canada. I hate to say it but the trend of women having children when they are single and thinking they can do that and work full time and still have the life they had when just by themselves is delusional and destructive. Single parent kids were in full swing when I was a kid and you could pick them out from their behaviour. <br>Nobel Prize goes to the Doc that figures out how to genetically alter humans to not be fertile until the age of 30 and can only replicate for a few years and no more than two..... <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif" alt="Exclamation" longdesc="16"><img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" longdesc="7"></span>
     
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    lol
    na Nobel prise goes to the person who can make people not self centered and be responsible for their actions
     
  15. Absolutely!
     
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    There will always be people who are up to harm other people for their own profit:(:(
     
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    agreed lets face it without it there would be no arms race lol:p
     
  18. sparkie

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    I once was at a park with my kid (3 yers old), it was about 92 in the shade(we were under huge oaks in a park in NYC), The kid wanted to to ride the trike, I said sure, and pulled out a helmet. Mellon protector on, happily peddling about a lady looked at the kid and said wistfully "I wish I could get my kid to wear one, how do you do that?"

    "Simple" I replied "No Helmet , No Ride, No Discussion". "But it is 95 degrees today, my kid would never agree" she said.

    "what part of; no helmet, no ride, no discussion, do you not understand?" I asked?

    "But I don't want to be mean" she implored. At that point the kid gets off the trike goes over to a bar set in logs about chest high. Grabbing on my kid flips over going forehead first into the wooden blocks that made up the "thing" ( can't describe).

    before the lady could inhale the kid gets up, laughs and gets back on the trike. I only let my kid play on the thing BECAUSE of the helmet.

    The lady then opines again how she can't get the kid to wear a helmet. I lose it sorta,

    "Lady" I said," do the hard thing be the Mommy, not the cool big sister. You say does as I say or we go home. Yeah you will hear whinning, until she finally gets it. She must learn from you, so suck it up be the Mommy, do the HARD THING, you are not her friend"

    I ended with "making babies is easy and fun, raising them is the hard part, and your part like it or not is to use discipline when needed. You do not have to hit, raise your voice or curse(it is hard sometimes), you just withhold. " the reality is what are they gunna do? But this is from when they are about 3 or so, and when they are teens they will still hate you at times, but will know boundaries. They will understand cause and effect, and responsibilities (if you teach them). And you can have exceptionally talented competitive kid and never once slap them.

    to close

    We had a kid here on LI (burb to NYC) die of HTCM (heart condition), his death would have come eventually, but he could easily live till his 50's if it stays small. His parents were interviewed, and the mother said "we couldn't stop him, he just loved to play football........." Now he was on a HS team, you cannot play sports on a team w/o a doctor's ok, period. SO if mummsie and father simply said "no" their kid would be alive right now.

    With HTCM (depending on severity), you can play sports BUT not on the level of a Middle/High School level, or on a travel team. Sandlot baseball is ok, being on HS team is not.

    The parent should be brought up on charges, except, they were punished by their own stupidity, they killed their own kid with kindness.

    My kids understand, NO means NO, not maybe, or eventually or ask other parent. Askig the other parent, gets you in deeper crap then it is worth.

    sorry for the rant, but this subject makes me insane
     
  19. squidget

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    well said sparkie
    the thing im finding in Oz is we have a "peter pan" generation of parents, in that they don't want to grow up
    like you said "making babies is easy and fun, raising them is the hard part" yet the responsibility starts at "the fun part" if both parties the man and woman don't want to raise a child then go see a doctor and be fixed so you never can!

    becoming a parent means you have to give up a part of yourself to the child FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
    and giving up things you might like to do because your child needs you more.
     
  20. sparkie

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    duh....exactly!!! Kinda makes ones head explode at times. I have told parents (just yesterday actually) at food stores etc who are embarassed but trying not to give in, "let'm scream , keep up the good work." The day after I was married I need to do banking, (gift money), I was on line a lady had her 3-4 year old who was starting to go ballistic. The mother looked harried and embarrassed others were staring. I was hung to the gills. I looked at the woman and said "don't worry let her yell, do not give in I can handle it. An older woman turned and agreed, the kid wailed eventually she got better service, and the kid got a lesson.

    One of mine was do a tanrum so load I put rolled up napkin in my ears, seeing that the screaming was increased in volume exponentially. I smiled and said, "you will not get what you want, you will get a days punishment" 5 minutes later peace reigned.

    be the daddy/mommy when they are very small, never go back on your word, do not over punish or threaten to unless you are going to do it, do not let the spouse or grands commandeer the punishment.