2nd gen Manu Mortar, in Osage Orange

Discussion in 'Show off your homemades!' started by JoergS, Mar 2, 2013.

  1. JoergS

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    Kept working on the ManuMortar design for Cold Steel. <br><br>Following Tobias's suggestion, I lowered the clearance between the fork from 6,5cm to 5cm. This will allow the target shooters to keep the target "outside" of the frame, and it also makes the support grip style more comfy - especially for those with smaller hands. <br><br>Used Osage Orange for the scales this time. Bright wood, good contrast to the Multiplex. Just a bit of rounding, the heavy Moorhammer style sculpting isn't necessary on this frame. Will make production cheaper. <br><br>A great shooter! I am not sure if I will add the "dicks" for the tubular rubber. Looks more clean this way. <br><br><img src="http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/16/32/46/92/osage110.jpg" border="0" alt=""><br><br><img src="http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/16/32/46/92/osage210.jpg" border="0" alt=""><br><br><img src="http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/16/32/46/92/osage310.jpg" border="0" alt=""><br><br><img src="http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/16/32/46/92/osage410.jpg" border="0" alt=""><br><br><img src="http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/16/32/46/92/osage510.jpg" border="0" alt=""><br><br><img src="http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/16/32/46/92/osage610.jpg" border="0" alt="">
     
  2. slingpit

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    Wow, nice design.
     

  3. onnod

    onnod Im from Holland, isnt that weird?

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    Very nice joerg, maybe they could sell the "dicks" seperately to keep the clean look
     
  4. Antraxx

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    Looks very elegant, a bit like a stabbing weapon.<br>No way comparable with the moorhammer, but a lot easier to produce in larger numbers and i think that is the aim.<br>For me it would only be a tube-shooter, i simply love the slightly angled forktips of the moorhammerdesign for flatbands. parallel tips always make the bands stretch uneven.<br>I found no slingshots on cold-steels site. Will this be the first one they produce?
     
  5. JoergS

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    Yes, that would be the first one they sell. <br><br>The Moorhammer is still my favorite shooter. But it does scare beginners, and even some advanced shooters. Plus its dedication to flatbands and the hammer grip rule it out for possibly the majority of shooters. It clearly is not for all. <br><br>This new design is, pretty much. <br><br>I can't detect any uneven draw, though - and a lot of target shooters need the straight fork tips so they can align the bands in "gangster style". If it forms a thin, straight line, every angle is OK.
     
  6. Antraxx

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    Well, the way from the outside of the fork to the pouch is longer, then from the inside. So when i shoot a six circle for example, which has also parallel tips, sometimes the rubber creates a small wrinkle.<br>I was always under the impression that was the reason why you angled the forks on the moorhammer in the first place <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png" alt="Very Happy" longdesc="1"><br>I´m not saying that it might not be me who made a mistake in banding it up, but thats what i noticed.
     
  7. onnod

    onnod Im from Holland, isnt that weird?

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    I know what you mean, but i did not notice any changes in accuracy caused by that
     
  8. CEZ

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    It look great and the multiplex is so shiny, did you use only linseed oil and chrome polish to get that look?<br>It will look awesome in steel!<br>Is it kind of small or is that your hand?<br>By the way, since we are on the topic, why are the moorhammer fork tips at an angle?
     
  9. tokSick

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    That one looks awesome and probably a great target shooter.
     
  10. JoergS

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    Moorhammer forks are at an angle because that allowed the shortest forks in order to achieve the fork height and width I wanted. The Moorhammer is an extreme slingshot, nothing is random. <br><br>The only thing I'd do different now is the fork tips - the round tips are making it harder to attach the bands right, they tend to move while tying. Once they are on, everything's good of course. <br><br>But now, I always make rectangular, but well rounded for tips. They are very deep, but a bit narrow. Very easy to hold the band ends when you tie them on. <br><br>The ManuMortar is a full size slingshot - the handle is even longer than the Moorhammer handle. This way people with larger hands than mine can shoot it as well. <br><br>
     
  11. LW

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    Yes, the new version is what I like. <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_cheers.png" alt="cheers" longdesc="28"> This time, even the optical relation between fork and handle is very nice. I also would not install the dicks. Sometimes it's better not to make the "eierlegende wollmilchsau". <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" longdesc="7"> This form is clearly, simple, unique and definitely a great shooter.<br><br>Even if it is a prototype, using two different materials, you can imagine the end result much better. Additional it is looking nicer.<br><br>There not many forms outside, I like to copy, but with your permission, I would try this form sometimes.
     
  12. JoergS

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    As I will be giving this design to Cold Steel, I can't allow anyone else to COMMERCIALLY use it, but for you personal non commercial purposes that is of course fine. <br><br>Did you know that you can even make a clone of a PATENTED product if it is just for yourself?<br><br>
     
  13. LW

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    <tr><td><span class="genmed"><b>JoergS wrote:</b></span></td></tr>
    <tr><td class="quote">As I will be giving this design to Cold Steel, I can't allow anyone else to COMMERCIALLY use it, but for you personal non commercial purposes that is of course fine. <br><br>Did you know that you can even make a clone of a PATENTED product if it is just for yourself?<br><br>
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    <span class="postbody"><br><br>I would not even think about it, use the design from another for commercial purposes.<br>I studied design, and I know the laws and the trouble you can get in. But the main reason for me NOT doing it, is the Respect for intellectual property.<br><br>When I was in university, I did a very nice project for a company that now earns millions with the result, by taking my complete work. This was called "Werksvertrag", I could puke the hole day... but long ago. <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_mad.gif" alt="Mad" longdesc="8"><img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" longdesc="3"><img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png" alt="Very Happy" longdesc="1"></span>
     
  14. Antraxx

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    I find it very hard to draw a line when it comes to slingshots.<br>It is Y shaped most of the time...just a quick example:<br><a href="http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/468568720/Powerful-Y-type-Stainless-Steel-Metal-Velocity-Hunting-Slingshot-Hunting-Catapult-Scorpion-Shaped-Freeshipping.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/468568720/Powerful-Y-type-Stainless-Steel-Metal-Velocity-Hunting-Slingshot-Hunting-Catapult-Scorpion-Shaped-Freeshipping.jpg</a><br><br>sure, the handle is totally different, but the angels of the fork are alike, a groove at the top to guide the tubes, grooves at the forksides for the fingers, and a hole to fit the tubes in...<br><br>I know that is is in so way the same slingshot, but again...the function is not that different...so hard to draw a line.
     
  15. JoergS

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    Well, the law is pretty simple. <br><br>Patented products and registered trademarks are protected by the law. Unauthorized commercial cloning is illegal. <br><br>But if you don't register at least a "Design Patent" (Germany: Geschmacksmuster), then the design is free for all. As long as there is no registered logo or trademark on it, a copied product is not a clone. <br><br>So if Cold Steel does not get a design patent for it, others may freely copy it. They can't call it a Cold Steel product of course, and can't use the Cold Steel logo either. <br><br>There was a huge debate about that on the SSF a couple of years back. The vendors made a big stink about people cloning their designs. In the end, people voted to not care for such issues and everybody could clone away. That is OK with me. I mean a slingshot is so simple - who can say which idea came first?<br><br>
     
  16. Bert the Welder

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    Most companies are going to go after you if you copy a design for your own use anyhow, and if the company is big enough they only care if you are making real money at it. Someone on here, for example, building a replica for other members wouldn't gather much attention as it's just too small a gain to spend money going after them. Oddly enough my Dad-in-law is(though now retired) one of the bigger patent attorney's in Germany. We like to jokingly call him Darth Vader as he's was not to be messed with and his clients were big boys like Braun, P&G, etc.
     
  17. Bert the Welder

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    Is Cold Steel paying you for the design, Joerg? Or is it a return on kindness as it sounds like they load you up with shwag every time you see them?<br><br>The orange wood is beautiful. Very elegant SS.
     
  18. JoergS

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    I never charge. Didn't charge Dankung. Didn't charge Milbro. Won't charge Cold Steel. But it would sure give me a kick to read my name in the Cold Steel catalogue and on their website. <br><br>Plus they give me whatever Cold Steel products I need for my videos. I have "big" plans for the summer!
     
  19. onnod

    onnod Im from Holland, isnt that weird?

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    Big plans? Sounds really exiting
     
  20. Tysonspapa

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    looks better without the dicks. i also like the smaller fork distance. and the wood looks great.